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As is often the case, this argument completely denies history and commercial reality. As I understand it Tesla defined the major bones of its current hardware package back in HW2, which was late 2016. They now have a massive fleet of vehicles with a vision-only hardware package for which FSD...

How does a car detect painted lines or other information without a visual awareness of the world?

Your statement, that a technology solution does not always follow the natural solution, is perfectly reasonable, though I would argue rather needlessly obvious to anyone who doesn't live in a nest, use fur for warmth or clean their junk using their face. In context, though, the OP is saying...

This is a massive logical disconnect. Explain the connection between a choice of cameras as sensors and the amount of computing power required for self driving? You’re implying that a different choice of sensors would require less computing power? If that’s not the connection you’re drawing...

Probably noone would watch it directly for that long but you would immediately find services popping up to stream your feed and use it as a security camera/ archive it long term etc, the same way TeslaFi and Tessie etc have built services around the API. I would imagine that’s the sort of...

That’s not now business services work. They’ve designed their premium connectivity proposition around a certain level of service utilisation and if you blow it by streaming video constantly then the proposition doesn’t work anymore. It’s not about whether they can literally afford the phone bill.

Video of the new auto park feature we’re projected to be getting in April

Streaming video from the car uses a lot (in relative terms) of bandwidth, which Tesla has to pay for. The data plan that they purchase will be a corporate/IoT tailored plan that probably allows their devices to roam over multiple mobile providers to improve connectivity and which will have a...

I don't think this is correct. Most cars work this way (which is why they generally have a 'half pull for 3 flashes' type feature) but the auto cancel in Teslas also takes in to account things like line markings on the road...

With the tantalising hints that Tesla may be about to roll out Smart Summon, which I have paid for as part of EAP but never received due to having an USS-less car, I’ve been wondering what we might actually get. Does anyone know what level of function is permitted here by regulation? Let’s say...

By the time a car is good enough to do genuine L5 then these scenarios won’t seem such a stretch. Whether the automakers will be prepared to build them is another matter. You might be prepared to run in to a car jacker to make an escape, but would you deploy software for which you had liability...

Seems that for the last week or so the app has taken ages and ages to connect to the car and update when I open it. Is anyone else seeing this? I do have other apps that connect to the car, but I’m not getting the ‘too many clients’ message, it’s just going really slow.

I swear posts like this are part of Musk's supervillain origin story (along with dating that weird woman and buying Twitter). He quite clearly means that a software release under the version 12 branch will lose the 'beta', not that the very first version of a brand new implementation will be...

That's an interesting question, actually, since that mirror folding behaviour is something that basically zero humans will do, especially in a Tesla where you have to go hunting through menus to find the option. I've always thought it was a pointless behaviour (the car on V11 seems to have...

It's incredible how deep the conspiracy to make FSD look good goes, isn't it.

Vaguely connected trivia: I saw a thing the other day that estimated that by 2030 Tesla will have the ability to capture 16,000 miles of driving data a second from their fleet.

That is interesting. Does it slow down in good time like a human would or does it rush in to the bend and slow down a bit late? As I understand it we do have some extra limitations on autopilot here (minimum turn radius, etc) due to EU regs. It’s not immediately obvious why that would affect...

Might depend what type of roads you're on? Around here a lot of roads are quite bendy and without a lead vehicle to take pacing cues from TACC/Autopilot will drive too fast in to bends (I don't blame it for that because it's not advertised as being good for that kind of road). I haven't used...

Sounds funny but this is a useful tip. I use autopilot on roads that it is not intended for and where it is poor at choosing the correct speed, but what I do is set the target speed really low and use my own foot to speed up or slow down. Can be a real fatigue saver in poor visibility...

A proper answer to this question can’t exist until FSD is finished, because until it’s finished nobody knows what the necessary hardware is. An additional complication is that there’s no actual definition for what ‘finished’ means. It’s pretty unlikely that the minimum footprint for FSD to be...

Hey, don’t forget those guys are all Tesla shills according to TMC wisdom. Everything they say is biased to favour Tesla because they are Tesla’s favourites, which is why Tesla are not giving them this update despite them being vocally desperate for it. Oh wait, that doesn’t make any sense...

Impossible. Noone with USS has ever had an issue parking. TMC has established that they are literally the finest technology man kind has invented, several times over. Makes this guy seem like even more of an idiot though, so not only did he let v12 handle a situation nobody at Tesla has claimed...

I think you are asking several questions which are in the same area but have different answers, and that's why you don't understand the answers people are giving. If you have a car with USS then you are currently still on the original park assist software which depends on the USS. If you...

FSD will park the car using vision. This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with whether the park assist function you as a human driver use is USS based or vision based.

You’re saying that like it’s a joke but it literally does. They are building towards a car that does not yet exist and have gambled that the hardware already sold can be turned in to it via software update.

I think you misinterpreted me - I’m criticising the decision to release the half assed version that came out 6 months or so ago that attempted to replicate the ‘wavy line’ USS interface. That was occasionally accurate but was wrong often enough that it just made it look like the tech wasn’t...

But this is the whole point, isn’t it? Current parking systems rely on point measurements from the USS sensors which become useless if the obstruction is sufficiently close to pass between the sensors. A system that operates on a full 3D model of the world around the car has the potential to...

Tesla shot themselves in the foot by releasing the circa-June version of TV park assist which was little more than a tech demo and wasn't actually useful. There's a lot of people carrying a grudge about vision based park assist now. Last night I used it to parallel park up against a hedge in a...

The high fidelity parking view is good. In terms of usefulness I'd say it's on par with USS now, and if Tesla had rolled this out at the same time as removing the USS (like any normal company would have) then there would have been very little fuss about this whole issue. The HF view does still...

Apologies, I meant the XC90. It’s a massive cube of a vehicle but far more nimble than the Y.

Nah, it is bigger l, obviously (my last car was a Golf too) but it’s the turning radius that makes it feel cumbersome.

The turning radius is probably the worst thing about the Y. It’s not just the radius for doing a full U turn, it’s the generally cumbersome manoeuvring for parking or moving around obstructions, etc. It is not possible to reverse in to a spot in a lot of UK carparks in a single motion, for...

A lot of posters on this forum have Tesla branded kidney stones 🤣

Different frequencies are used which are easier for humans to locate directionally. In the uk these can take the form of what sounds like a normal siren which switches to what sounds like white noise occasionally. Incredibly easy to tell where it’s coming from.

Sirens are a work around to the limitation that human drivers can only look in one place at a time and they get distracted. I'm not sure what useful action an AV would take in response to the sound of a siren.

Yes, I agree with that. NoA doesn’t need a beta label and hasn’t done the whole time we’ve had our Tesla. Software can be out of beta while still having flaws and room for improvement.

You’re probably correct that a lot of people will have interpreted it this way, but it’s not fair to blame this one on Musk’s recklessly enthusiastic communication. The alpha/beta/release candidate designation has always traditionally been a separate axis to the version number of software. A...

It's far more likely it's just a random coincidence, or possibly the software update forced a restart and the system only checks some conditions on restart. In a data centre environment it's quite common for a major software update to seemingly kill hardware because the hardware does a self...

I do have mine set to advanced.

I think they’re far worse (for a parking view) actually. If you look at a car with 360 parking the cameras are all angled steeply downwards at the floor next to the car, but aside from the rear one the Tesla’s are all oriented for distance. The distortion required to try and make them look like...

Does seem a bit of a mess. I am now running .2 and wondering what bugs it has that necessitated .3-5 Let’s hope it’s nothing important 😬

And this is why that is dumb. Birdseye view gives you the illusion that you can see all around the car but you really can’t. https://x.com/dblcapcrimpin/status/1738012880996377047?s=20

Object permanence isn’t going to override what the system believes it’s seeing now, it would be used to fill in gaps in information where the car realises it can’t see anything. In this case the car isn’t forgetting the pillar is there, it’s replacing it in the model with objects it thinks it...

It obviously uses extrapolation from what it can see or every wall with an object in front of it would have a hole in it like a shadow, and cars would all be hollow with no back side to them. My guess is the car on the right of the Tesla (or the Tesla itself) got reflected on the glass of the...

The problem with testing the collision avoidance stuff is you never know whether it’s not working or whether it’s just gotten better at telling real collisions apart from events that were never going to be a collision.

Necessary is quite subjective. There are definitely features that you won't be able to use without it though. Tesla say 'Some features that are available with Standard Connectivity over Wi-Fi, such as video streaming, Caraoke and the internet browser, may also be accessed over mobile...

Haven’t used it in the dead of night but I had a quick try at about 8am this morning which is still pretty dingy. I actually think it will work fine at night because the cars lights are plenty bright enough for the cameras to see close up. I have more open questions about how it will work in...

UK HW3 Y LR with no USS (and obviously no FSD), received 2023.44.30.2 this morning. Had a quick try with the park assist. I wouldn't call it mind blowing based on that 1 test but I was testing it before the sun had come up and in light rain. It was already a million times better than what we've...

If Tesla didn’t do something voluntarily do you think the NHTSA would have just said ‘oh,OK, we were wrong, it’s fine as it is’? And if you left it to NHTSA to define the remedy, do you think you’d have got a less invasive outcome? Also, I’ve used AP quite a lot and I have never, ever got to...

The changes were mandated by the NHTSA, weren’t they?