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Quick note for the fellow 2023.6.11 holdouts on this thread. Looks like the time has finally come: https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/version/2023.12.10/release-notes FSD beta is now on the latest 2023 branch. Even those of you that succumbed to the desire to upgrade to 2023.12...

BTW - Anyone with a vision-only car (virtually all cars manufactured over the past 2+ quarters with no USS) is still missing significant functionality with no ETA - including Summon and Autopark, which are clearly on the list of FSD features. This is probably about a million or more vehicles...

Here comes 2023.12.5 - huge push to 3,800+ cars on TeslaFi - the most I've seen so far: https://www.teslafi.com/firmware.php Am here I am, one of less than 2% holding out on 2023.6.11. Deep down, I am 100% sure that if I upgrade, FSD beta will be released on the 2023.6.X branch the very next day.

These "second order" situations are the ones that fascinate me when it comes to the challenge of AI and driving - the ones where the right decision depends on not one, but two or three variables, each with their own set of rules. It reminds me of the "Three Body Problem" - where you can easily...

Agreed on the beta part, but: a) It's still not unreasonable to provide clear instructions for how to get the beta if that's the feature of FSD you are interested in - rather than the current "pay and pray" model b) Most of the features in Enhanced Autopilot that aren't labeled as beta are...

I think that is possible - I was stuck on 2022.X factory firmware while subscribed to FSD and opted in to beta. I was prompted to upgrade to 2023.X the very next day after my subscription expired - I don't think that was a coincidence. Had I renewed the sub for another month, I probably would...

Well, it looks like 2023.12.x is now running on the majority of vehicles across the entire fleet, the only real exception being cars with FSD beta that are still on 2022.45.X. https://www.teslafi.com/firmware.php I am still on 2023.6.11 dutifully closing the upgrade prompt window every morning...

If Apple treated releases the same way that Tesla does: Hi! I'm Tim Cook, and I'm excited to tell you about some amazing new features we've been working on! Starting with an amazing new version of Facetime, available on IOS 16.2.24, which launches between 2 weeks and 12 months from now...

Here is my FSD beta strategy coming from 2023.6.11: - Switch from advanced to standard updates - Do not install any updates if prompted - Wait until 2023.6.15 goes wide, and is clearly being pushed to 2023.6.11 USS-less vehicles - Activate FSD sub and make sure beta opt-in is checked - Switch...

Well, we now have the answer: https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/version/2023.6.15/release-notes New question though: if we pay $200 for an FSD sub and opt-in to the beta, will we get it? Or is there some other mechanism involved - e.g. acceptance criteria, a delay in processing...

Your crystal ball on this turned out to be amazingly accurate. How did you know that 2023.6.15 was going to be the build that merged FSD with the 2023 branch? Just wondering if there is a published roadmap somewhere out there that I am missing. Thanks for shedding light on it either way...

Former Miata owner and habitual pedal masher here. The Miata is super fun to drive silly - you can chirp the rear tires going into second gear, for example - but you are only wrestling with 148 lb/ft of torque at the end of the day. If you put too much power down off the line, your little 17"...

That makes sense. I almost forgot that I can simply choose not to install updates. I'll do this unless there is something overwhelmingly compelling in an update that I can't live without in the hopes that FSDb catches up to where I am now. Is that how it worked for 10.X for a while? Thanks for...

Serious question: what is the best strategy to get FSD beta for someone on the 2023.X branch? Does one need to activate the subscription and go into the beta queue to force the car to update to a 2023 FSD beta build whenever that becomes available? If you don't have an active subscription...

Annnnnnnnnnnnd I was wrong. I am going to take credit for the rollout of 11.3.5 directly to factory firmware USS-less 2023 cars for two reasons: - My finger crossing and well wishes for those waiting as stated in my post - The fact that I suspended by FSD sub just a few days ago after thinking...

Hi all - quick update for anyone following this - we may finally have an answer to the topic of this thread! The latest version of FSD 11.3.5 is the first build to roll out to USS-Less 2023 cars, including cars on factory firmware (e.g. 44.100 and 44.200). So it turns out I probably would...

I believe the path to FSD beta for USS-less and other recently delivered cars is: Factory firmware -> 2023.2.12 -> 2023.6.9 -> Hope and pray for FSDb to be merged into an upcoming 2023 branch release sometime soon This is the upgrade path I experienced the minute my FSD subscription expired...

Agreed - and I do like the discussion - but it really is an existential conversation. I saw quite a few “zipper merges” on my way to JFK that involved drivers practically unzipping their pants and displaying their testosterone - you know - those “I am going to ram into your car and kill you if...

I like how this thread has devolved (evolved?) into an existential debate over whether or not traffic laws are even necessary. If 11.4 isn’t released soon, we’ll be debating the need for roads. After all, FSD would be much more efficient if it could drive directly to your destination and not...

Serious question: where / when was that promise made? I was prepared for the cutting edge beta quirkiness of Tesla’s - but I wasn’t prepared for the lack of transparency and information (thank you to everyone in this forum for filling in the gaps!!) Definitely encouraged by park assist -...

You are charged right away and as Dewg pointed out, you are subscribing to FSD - the beta is an optional perk on top of FSD. HOWEVER, on a USS-less car, that does not have summon or autopark, the only thing that comes anywhere close to $200/month in value is the beta itself. Many new Tesla...

I was on the factory firmware (2022.44.100) with a USS-less M3P and decided not to renew my FSD subscription, since there's no way of knowing whether I'd get the beta within the next month. As soon as the subscription expired, I was updated to 2023.2.12. I wonder if cars on the 2022.X firmware...

For what it’s worth I was on the same version as you until yesterday. I opted into the beta and subscribed to FSD the moment I took delivery of the car about 30 days ago and have been on the same factory firmware ever since. With no clear date in sight for the 11.3 update, I decided to cancel...

Hey - we have a cool thing that you as a nerd might like - in order to experience it, you need a subscription. Oh that you thing you subscribed to check out? Nope, its not available for you, and the only real way to find out that it's not available (other than reading through this forum) is to...

I agree with all of E90's points in the previous post and am in the same boat as you are - I jumped the gun as well for almost exactly the same reasons. In our defense - you'd have to sift through hundreds of posts in this forum to determine what the state of things are - and even you'd be left...

Safety score is no longer a thing, but it's still anyone's guess as to when your factory firmware will be updated to an FSD beta compatible version. Additionally, you also have the recall to contend with, so new cars can no longer get any version of FSD beta other than 11.3.X - since that is the...

I have a bit of a conundrum coming up. I took delivery of a M3P on Feb 25th and opted into an FSD subscription specifically to test out FSD Beta. On a USS-Less 3 or Y, FSD without the beta is practically meaningless - no autopark, no summon, etc.. It's definitely not worth $200/month IMHO. Since...

I think all recently delivered (Q1 2023) vehicles are on 22.44.X. For example, I took delivery in Feb, and am on 22.44.200. I think we are stuck on an older branch due to the recall - maybe that means we'll get the update sooner than later?

Looks like 11.3.2 is rolling out now, and it appears to (potentially) enable features such as park assist for those of us without USS (e.g. all of us watching this thread): Please post an update in this thread if you are in the FSD-less new vehicle recall group and you get the update!

Fingers crossed that this is the release that gets us out of the orphaned state we are in:

It’s been a while since this thread was updated and a lot has happened, so here’s the latest as I understand it: - The recall is one of the factors preventing the activation / download of FSD beta on new vehicles - Issues in the recall are confirmed to be addressed (although perhaps not fixed...

That is all true. In my case, I subscribed to FSD because I wanted to check out the beta. When I subscribed, it was available to everyone. A few days later the "recall" was announced. The 2023s also don't have ultasonic sensors - so for the moment, we have no beta, no summon, no auto park - most...

That makes sense - just wish they let you know that when subscribing to FSD. Does anyone know how quickly previous rollouts went? E.g. was it "employees only" -> "everyone" or more like "employees" -> "1% of fleet" <two week pause> -> "10% of fleet" <two week pause> -> "50% of fleet" ...

Awwwwww yeahhhh.. Picked it up on Thursday. I was stressed about searching for flaws - brought the three page checklist with me - everything looked good. Some panel gaps are not as uniform as they could be, but nothing glaring IMHO - and not sure it's worth fussing over. My only problem now is...

Argh - I was so excited to try it out that I subscribed to full FSD for a month without thinking. Hopefully it triggers before my month runs out. Thanks for the info!

Interesting - I am on 2022.44.200 which is the latest version. I guess this means I’ll need to wait for FSD 11.3 since that is probably the next release?

As I understand it, there are no longer any requirements to opt-in to the FSD beta - e.g. no minimum safety score. I opted in two days ago, but it still hasn't triggered - does the minimum number of miles driven on autopilot still apply? Does it trigger on some other event, like the next...

Just got a notice to schedule my delivery: White / Black OD: 1/21 Original ETA: 2/16 - 3/16 Revised EDD: 2/20 - 2/27 VIN: 2/8 Scheduled: 2/23 Location: San Antonio Time to go back through this thread to see how long I can procrastinate with the final payment - don't want to fork over $$$...

Two quick questions on insurance for those that have gone through it: - Is there a way to get a quote from Tesla without committing to anything? After filling in your info, the app goes from "Next" to "Submit" as the action without explaining what comes next (e.g. are you actually committing to...

Why am I refreshing the app again? I just checked it 30 minutes ago. A watched pot never boils. There's zero chance that.... I GOT A VIN! W00t! OD: 1/21 Original EDD: Feb 16 - Mar 16 VIN: 2/8 New EDD: Feb 20 - Feb 27 San Antonio To celebrate, here's another rabbit hole for you to go down - all...

A few things to keep an eye on while we wait: According to Musk, FSD version 11.3 is due to be released "later this week". Version 11.3 has a few interesting bits: - A unified code base. Currently, the code and logic for highway driving and city driving are completely different (the highway...

It doesn't impact the model 3, but just FYI - the IRS clarified the SUV definitions today: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1138665_treasury-lifts-ev-tax-credit-confusion-over-suv-price-cap Therefore making ALL model Ys eligible, even the MY Performance - which previously didn't qualify...

Trade ins should have no impact on the tax credit - however, your partner will probably have a challenge trading in a car they do not own. Most dealers (not sure about Tesla) require the buyer to own the car they are trading in (for obvious reasons). During the ordering process - Tesla...

The key date is when you take delivery. However, I think you make your payment very close to the day of delivery if not on the same day, and I think you can cancel even after you get your VIN. I could be wrong as I'm not that far along in the process (still waiting for a VIN). Hopefully others...

It's hard to top Doug DeMuro. I've watched one jillion Tesla videos over the past two weeks. Here are a few of my favs:

I really wanted a red M3P - the car is so fast, it practically demands to be red. It was worth the $2k premium - and you could argue you'd get some of that back in resale. It's definitely not worth $9,500 though ($2k + $7.5k tax credit loss). This got me thinking about how silly and arbitrary...

Hmmmm... Well, a 2018 is a five year old car at this point. The net price on the 2023 with a tax credit is about $47k - not much of a premium for a brand new car vs. a 2018 and you don't have the hassles and unknowns that go along with buying a car from a private seller. I'd stick with your order.

I think there is a chance that will be the case - that no one will qualify for the full credit. I think this was actually the intent of some of the requirements - to require changes in sourcing and investment in domestic mineral mining. We’ll find out eventually..

According to the original bill, half of the EV credit is based on where the components such as batteries are assembled, and half is based on where the actual minerals for the batteries are sourced. Companies that assemble batteries in the US, but source minerals from abroad would therefore only...

Good news everyone! https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/26/politics/elon-musk-kevin-mccarthy-meeting/index.html Elon is coming to the rescue on the EV tax credits and protecting us from Manchin. </scarcasm+pure_speculation>