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  1. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    The most surprising thing about V12 is how consistent it is. The behaviors have been fairly predictable and consistent for me. It's easy to anticipate when and where it might fail If the improvements are only coming from increased training and compute, then it's very promising
  2. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    The amazing thing is that V11 was/is required to get to V12... In order to curate / test / simulate / etc. the data, you need V11 heuristics
  3. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    I wonder if Tesla trains videos specific to each car model. We have some evidence that each model is separate? 1) For Chuck's turn, he saw all kinds of Tesla models. 2) During the Elon livestream, Ashok mentioned some issue specific to Model S.
  4. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    It's funny, no matter how good V12 gets, I want more and more. I want it to pull out of my driveway, out of parking spots, everything! I want to get in my car and turn it on and not have to touch anything. But first, if it can gracefully deal with road closures, that would be amazing and make...
  5. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Wowwww if 12.4 performance jump is similar to 12.2.1 -> 12.3, I've run out of mind blowing words
  6. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Fsd just needs to 1) handle closed roads gracefully 2) not squeeze into bad situations Then it's golden FSD ADAS It feels so close (for the bay area anyway) Just drove through SF during st paddy's traffic and peds, it was incredible except for a closed road (I didn't want to let it try :) )...
  7. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    BTW, be careful out there, 12.3 does get very close to curbs:
  8. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    12.3 in a nutshell for bay area, CA: 1) less nags 2) does extremely well with "typical" city driving 3) fails with uncommonly encountered scenarios. Doesn't fail horribly, but it's annoying when it tries to get in the wrong lane and you have places to be, etc. 4) parking lot behavior is not as...
  9. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    12.3 is definitely amazing. In the bay area, it makes the city driving performance and reliability close to the experience we get on highways. With 12.3, I activate it the moment I back out of my parking spot or driveway, so I give it a lot more chances to mess up. I expect it to do everything...
  10. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    12.3 drives very very well, But you guys are right too, driverless still seems a long long way to go, especially for HW3 V12 is amazing ADAS, but...
  11. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Maybe has something to do with it being a parking lot as well? I wonder if the driver pressed the accel or it went by itself
  12. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Y'alls don't care about my opinion, and you haven't tried 12.2.1, so you don't have reference, but 12.3: 1) Way better than 12.2.1 2) Not perfect in parking lots, but way better, it's logical but drives like some alien that hasn't driven many parking lots 3) In general way better 4) Doesn't...
  13. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Wow these people are starting to sound like me
  14. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Here's confirmation that 12.3 *can* go to HW3 cars:
  15. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    An fsd feeling is worth a thousand words :) Btw in that first drive, I see a lot of lane change decision wobbling Speed stuttering has much improved I prefer the average auto-max setting, Omar uses assertive auto-max, so I'm not sure how that affects the drive performance
  16. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    12.3 looks to be HW4 only so far, don't hold your breath
  17. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Well, then they can simply remove the posts. It's odd that these people are deleting their entire accounts, along with YouTube in the case of teslaaigirl I guess Tesla is asking them to do it or risk termination
  18. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    If so, why would they need to delete their accounts? They'd just get beta revoked
  19. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    You could also argue that the left lane is supposed to be left turn only :) but you're more likely correct. It would be confusing for many drivers new to that intersection though.
  20. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    I think 12.3 performed very well on that intersection as well. The adjacent truck started moving but ego was obstructed on the left by the truck and also there was only 1 lane to go into, so ego waited until truck passed and committed.
  21. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Here's a new 12.3 video from Kim, it's more city streets. The only real juicy part is 14:40 onwards, does very well with the construction closed lane:
  22. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    You mean the Kim guy? He was driving mostly highway in that video, only about 4-5 mins of city. Almost all of his commentary were highway situations if I understand correctly.
  23. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    When you guys get V12, you'll be surprised how stable, coherent, and reliable its decision making is. I had my doubts about end to end video training initially, but V12 is way more predictable and stable than I anticipated. It doesn't randomly hallucinate a car and swerve or stop for no reason...
  24. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    BTW, I'm pretty sure TeslaAiGirl was using 12.3 on HW4, based on the smoothed out interior camera housing. HW3 has a more crescenty shaped interior housing: HW3:
  25. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    BTW what's your assessment of V12 right now? Does it look promising for geofenced robotaxis within 2 years, once it gains ability to reverse?
  26. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    You're right. There can be overfitting wrt data curation: how many examples of each, etc. Even using hired drivers for Chuck's UPL is an example of possible overfitting. I was mostly referring to the idea of overfitting wrt V11 heuristics that were most familiar with the engineers in the Bay...
  27. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Yea I don't know why this is so difficult to understand. Perhaps during testing, the driver had to disengage and complete the maneuver manually? And maybe they're trained to constantly keep their hands on the wheel as if they're manually driving? Also, "looks like manual driving" doesn't mean I...
  28. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Yea except even chuck thought it was for validation in his post today. You say that they had drivers manually driving for weeks, but Chuck didn't know that (Chuck even said so himself that he didn't know). Nobody knew for sure until Elon confirmed it today. That was my point: Before Elon...
  29. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Uh huh, and nothing I said there was wrong
  30. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Well it's not that I didn't believe it, just found it hard to believe and also that Tesla / Elon never mentioned it Perhaps the only reason Tesla is having to do this is because the car needs to stop to 0 at the line, which few do or nobody does for those Chuck type upls
  31. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Elon confirms that Tesla is hiring drivers to create training data for V12
  32. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    At least I downloaded that 12.3 video so I can savor it while I wait
  33. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    It won't be as relevant during a big road trip, as most of that will be on highway. V12 still uses the old stack on highway. Despite that, V12 will be a huge delight; it'll drive you right to the front of the superchargers and through town But in 60 days, you'll definitely get V12 unless...
  34. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    That TeslaAiGirl was all kinda fishy: 1) Out of nowhere new V12.3 user 2) Claims to have had older V12s 3) Unclear Tesla employee connection 4) Got 12.3 before all Tesla employees got it? 5) Posts her first ever FSD drive on 12.3?
  35. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    It was all a psyop
  36. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Yea once you use V12, you realize how janky V11 was. It drove you to your destination, but it was robotic and not exactly delightful.
  37. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    It looks like 12.3 still uses V11 on highway (see the path jump longer), but it doesn't switch until the car has finished merging and changing lanes. 12.2.1 switches to V11 a little too early and can cause some confusion mid-merge
  38. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    We're not nitpicking. We're identifying improvements to the planner with 12.3. Btw, if 12.3 simply: 1) fixes the freezing at unprotected turns 2) reduces the wobble You guys are in for a real treat!!!
  39. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    There's some wobbling at the end as well, when ego was getting into the left turn lane onto the Costco driveway 12.3 still wobbles but the wheel doesn't turn as much because the worm has more segments, where the indecision happens further on top of the worm
  40. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Here's why 12.3 should arguably be V13: the worm is alive!!! It may be a way to reduce the wheel turns during decision wobbles
  41. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    I encountered this exact issue (stop signs on A-frames) with a broken traffic light at a large intersection. It didn't seem like 12.2.1 would stop, so I disengaged and stopped myself.
  42. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    I cannot believe that FSD adas is going to be solved this year. It only took an end to end system with human level smoothness and naturalness.
  43. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Yea, on V12, you can use the accelerator to go faster if it's too slow. I don't know what the limit is though, i.e. I haven't tried going 20 over (the actual speed limit) or something like that.
  44. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Btw I don't see any significant visualization frame rate drop with 12.2.1 on my HW3 vs 11.4.9. it's perhaps a little slower, but definitely not as bad as I saw in older V12 videos
  45. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Hallelujah! And this is only the beginning. Once this thing is refined, and Tesla gives out a free week or two, people are gonna get addicted. I've never been so excited to use FSD on every drive. V12 has its own personality, and it's great to develop a relationship with it.
  46. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    Yes, I sometimes get too distracted and forget/miss the 3-5 second deadline to record. I don't believe in it anyway though. I haven't seen any improvements linked directly to the feedback we've given. V12 is essentially a complete rewrite, so all of our V11 feedback was a waste of time.
  47. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    I hit the go pedal usually on unprotected lefts with some obstructions on the sides, but only when there's someone behind me or it's obviously frozen As for disengagements, very rare in on the roads (I did this morning because of a broken traffic light - completely off - at a large...
  48. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    You guys are gonna love V12 I don't know why I trust it so much now. It has way more contextual awareness. I'm letting it do some risky maneuvers that I wouldn't do myself (like UPL or UPR where the adjacent lane has oncoming car). It's quite amazing how stable it is already (i.e. doesn't...
  49. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    V11 feels like ancient technology vs V12, it's insane
  50. powertoold

    FSD V12 (end to end AI)

    12.2.1 average auto-max is driving so well, blows my mind It's difficult to put into words the subtleties of behavior, like nudging over for cars encroaching into my lane, dealing with questionable bikers and when to change lanes vs overtake cars potentially turning into a driveway, etc...