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iPhones all made in China but still touted for their premium quality speaks in volume that a foreign brand shouldn't blame China for shoddy "Made in China" quality, they should only blame themselves for not managing it properly or worse, in many cases intentionally cutting corners for cost...

I recently had a very similar scrape/ding on exactly the same spot on my car, which also happens to be MC Red. Took it to a TSLA authorized body shop, no need for a new panel, just simple repair and repaint that took less than a week and set me back by 700 USD. Now good as new. I'm in Hong...

What I said is not at odds with your comments at all. My whole point is MS' interior is no inferior than the mid of the range German makes, rather, it might even be a little bit better. It's got less luxurious look or touch than their range topping S/7/Panamera, but would I trade the 17 inch...

There is the rest of the world outside the US. S makes and sells S280 and S300 (4 cylinders) in many countries in the "rest of the world". These "faint heart" S are cheaper than 70D, but still S Class. A "class" always comprises a wide range of variants, so I find nothing wrong to put MS and S...

I find it very incomprehensible that lots of people claim E or 5 or A6/7 has more luxurious interior or better finish than MS. Have these people even sat in the latest fully optioned MS? I have a P85D with premium interior package, next-gen front seats and executive back seats. And yes, I drove...

Agreed, other great examples of lasting aesthetics include Aston Martin and Porsche 911. In sharp contrast, Mercedes and Lexus have lately brought out some progressively uglier designs. Just look at the recent 2-3 iterations of E-class and IS/GS. The body design is so overdone that they already...

Please check out the link I attached in my post, comparing the semi autonomous or driving assistance functions across many brands (unsurprisingly Tesla came out head and shoulders ahead). The point is many household makes, Infiniti, MB etc have implemented very similar functions in their cars...

How does TD justify blocking Tesla's autopilot while apparently allowing the far inferior similar functions from many other brands?

IMHO, anything below the top-of-the-line German models has crappy interior, that included E/5/A6, large swathes of cheap plastic and ridiculously small screen reminding me of old days PDA, cheap seat leather too. Latest MS with the premium interior package beats them easily if putting aside the...

saw this post on TMC Tesla Auto-Pilot Best Available in Comparison | Forums | Tesla Motors we're being deprived of the best driving assistance function in the industry by self-righteous Hong Kong transportation department. how much longer do we have to put up with their red herring? any petition...

leave communist out of this, mainland China doesn't ban Tesla's autopilot.

no indication how soon the approval from HK transportation department can be obtained and the temporary ban be lifted, the communication from TSLA only says "soon".................

This is exactly what I encountered, P sign on the instrument panel, blue start button on the center screen, but that is it, nothing takes place after the blue start button is pressed, even though the screen marks the parking spot it has identified with solid lines.

For a few times, I had the auto parking successfully identify a spot, but after I put the gear into reverse and pressed "start" button on the central screen, nothing happened, the car simply sat still doing nothing whatsoever. I did manage to get it work flawlessly from beginning to end some...

likely TM is rolling back the firmware in HK due to the govt warning, I got another "update" push today after installing 7.0 almost a week ago, suspecting it's the rollback, I decided to ignore it. So if you haven't got the update, you may not get it after all, not until the issue with govt is...

Thanks for jumping in, I was about to say the same. Many hybrids have two or more power units, one being an electric motor, the other a gas engine. BMW i8 has two electric motors plus one puny engine. Nonetheless, I have no clue what dsm363 meant to say.

Please enlighten me with a few examples in RECENT history of automobiles that a ICE car couldn't produce the stated HP at ANY part of the car, AND the discrepancy was as big as 15-20%. It's not unexpected that we can't recreate the exact nitpicky conditions the carmaker uses to produce their...

We don't really need an analogy, just use common sense. Again, battery state causing the real output to vary is not the defense for advertising an output that the battery will never allow to happen. If you have a bucket with one short stave, you should tell people how much water that short stave...

I live in HK, here the pump price is about USD 7.7/gallon at the moment and doesn't vary too much with crude price since the vast majority of it is government levy anyway. I always charge at SC since it's too troublesome to install wall charger in an apartment bldg and there is certainly no...

No, most people do know what the "i" means in 1080i, because there is usually a "1080p" next to it. I agree even ICE only advertises shaft power not wheel power, and loss can be non-negligible from shaft to wheels; however shaft power is at the least an output the car can put out at some point...

I think you should stop sugarcoating it. There is absolutely no defense for TM to list a spec that the car, under no circumstances, will ever deliver but average customers naturally assume it will. It's equivalent to quoting a graphic card's highest resolution but omitting the fact that the...

I'm taking a more moderate presumption here and wouldn't claim it was TM's intentional act, no crime here. But it was misleading and TM didn't take the high road.

Obviously I was referring to the majority of P85D customers in my post, who, caring or not but as long as they saw the number, could well have been led to believe what it would mean in normal circumstances. Non P85D customers are not relevant to this debate after all, and if you bought a 85D...

can't agree more

With all due respect, if you don't even admit Tesla's choice of words was misleading, I think you are in the camp of irrational fanboys, not being able to discern the most basic facts. I love TM, my car and own stocks, so I have as much propensity to be an advocate for them as you do, but fact...

Can we put this all to rest now? I see people argue about different regulations, different practices to test 0-60 and even different cultures across the Atlantic, all over the 30 plus pages here. Hello, isn't it just a very simple fact that TM had intentionally or unintentionally misled would-be...

I find your comments very reasonable. While expecting a totally free upgrade of the fuses and contactors, namely the "Ludicrous" upgrade, from Tesla is a bit unrealistic, I do believe we P85D owners should be given a much deeper discount for that upgrade. Stating the 691 "motor HP", perhaps...

What is Q7 called? Model X should be called the same. Whether it's based on a sedan platform or truck platform (an earlier commenter painstakingly made this distinction), is moot in my view. What the vehicle can do is the key. In this respect, Model X seems to be very similar to Q7 (except...

Features available in NA but still missing from RHD models I started the thread to track what have appeared in Model S sold in Americas but are missing here. I took delivery of a P85D in August and my list is based on my car. If we all add on to the list, perhaps we can make a plea to TM to...

Well, it says several months instead of giving a definite date for a reason, which is at the time it was difficult for them to accurately estimate the exact time it would take to get it all ready. I guess you can argue 11 months is more than "several", and yes, they are late. With the benefit...

It seems many people here have the grievance that they didn't get what they paid for or were tricked into the purchase by false or exaggerated promises from TM. I don't know how these folks gathered the info about the car before placing their orders or what they were told by sales reps. I...

saw the real thing in flesh at the service center when taking delivery, it's horribly made, looks tacky and cheap, and can't match carbon fiber or other wood trims, I think it only comes in solid black. I will never go for it.

Love the car, quality finish (vis-à-vis "managed expectation" from viewing the demo cars from last year, only very minor misalignment on one or two spots, not noticeable unless you are looking). Tragedy is I scraped one of the rims badly on day one (no regret getting them), can someone recommend...

Danal, wondering what you meant by "enhanced Napa Leather in the back". What is enhanced from the original first gen back seats? I'm in the same trench as you. Much appreciated.

No one has spotted that they are introducing "Executive Rear Seats" to replace "Next Gen Seats" in the back? It looks very nice with a central console. But judged from the photo, the console can't fold back, so the rear seats become a 2-seater, foreseeably a problem for some people. With the...

I can testify to the demand exceeding production capacity, having had to wait for P85D delivery to Hong Kong for 6 long months!!!