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  1. amb3rgris

    Model 3 standard range postponed until Early 2019

    I believe they announced European pricing, which might give some idea for US prices... Quick Google found this Jalopnik article: https://jalopnik.com/jaguars-all-electric-i-pace-could-start-at-76-000-1821501087 From that article: Back out the 21% VAT and convert to dollars, it looks like...
  2. amb3rgris

    Jaguar I-Pace

    I remember reading a quote from an exec at Jaguar that it would be 10-15% more than a similarly spec'ed F-Pace. The USA site is estimating 400hp and a 0-60 around 4 sec. Their top F-Pace S AWD shows 380hp, 0-60 in 5.1 sec, and a base price of $59,775. I'm not sure what a "base" I-Pace will...
  3. amb3rgris

    Tesla Model 3 Production Schedule

    From the FAQ Model 3 Reservations FAQ Which future options will be made available to order, and when? We are planning to introduce the following options in the coming months: Fall 2017: White interior option, standard configuration (non-Premium Upgrades) November 2017: Standard Battery...
  4. amb3rgris

    Real Steering Controls for the Model 3

    To me it looks like: scroll wheel in the middle, i.e. up/down little "half-moon" buttons to the sides of the scroll wheel. I am assuming the left/right arrow images are to indicate that those buttons are intended to shift between menu options/tabs. And then use the scroll wheel to select...
  5. amb3rgris

    Model 3 Mule Sightings

    I can't speak for everyone else, but I would say: no, I never expected the Model 3's line would be "the" alien dreadnought. In fact, I would say there is no "the" alien dreadnought at all. What I heard was something more like it would be "version 0.5". And the "alien dreadnought", in my mind...
  6. amb3rgris

    Solution to not having HUD

    I actually agree with AnxietyRanger regarding cost being a (significant?) factor in this decision. But my take on the "cost" is not about the price for the specific parts of a display, but more around the "cost" of manufacturing efficiency. Adding more displays means adding more wiring going to...
  7. amb3rgris

    Poll: Have you changed your mind?

    I don't see an option for my choice: "wait until all the details are out." I was originally planning on ordering dual motors, but I want it for the expected range and handling/performance more than any real need (other than maybe avoiding putting on chains if I take it to Tahoe in the winter...
  8. amb3rgris

    Help understanding Wh/mi (EPA vs. displayed)

    Miles per gallon gasoline equivalent - Wikipedia Relevant text: For EPA, this considers the tank-to-wheel for liquids and wall-to-wheel energy consumption for electricity, i.e. it measures the energy for which the owner usually pays. For EVs the energy cost includes the conversions from AC to...
  9. amb3rgris

    Help understanding Wh/mi (EPA vs. displayed)

    A couple of things on this issue: 1. Your "S85" does not actually have 85kWh of usable electricity. There are a few threads where the exact capacity is discussed. And then there is also a portion of the battery that is kept charged for battery health, and is never accessible for vehicle use. 2...
  10. amb3rgris

    Elon Confirms 10/19 Announcement is Model 3 Part 2

    Just a minor correction: those prices are reversed. "Enhanced Autopilot" is the US$5k option, with the "Full self-driving" add-on being an additional US$3k. And I'm assuming it's become very clear that this is NOT the M3 reveal part 2. Lots of people seemed to have mis-interpreted Elon's tweet...
  11. amb3rgris

    Base Battery Pack

    Model3Tracker.info I assume you have a M3 reservation. If all you're looking for is some raw numbers to get an idea, I suggest you sign up, enter your info, and you can see the results of those who have answered a few questions about their assumed option selections. As of now, I see out of...
  12. amb3rgris

    Second Reveal Date

    I'm not sure where you're getting the Q4 2017 time line. My reading of the email is: 1. Elon expects Q4 2016 to have a ton of expenditures to support the M3 production. 2. Therefore, this quarter (Q3 2016) is the last quarter before those costs start showing up in their SEC filings. It would be...
  13. amb3rgris

    Will the S model be priced too high?

    As on other threads, it seems like the "3 will kill S demand" argument generates a lot of input. However, to your first question, which I interpret as "how is Tesla able to offer the 3 for so much less than the S?", I think no one really knows except for the engineers/accountants at Tesla...
  14. amb3rgris

    Willing to Wait (How Long)??

    I'm willing to wait however long it takes. My limiting factors include: 1. My current car is still going strong (2009 Infiniti G37). I expect it will continue to do so for at least 3 more years. If it dies, the equation shuffles considerably. 2. We just bought a plug in hybrid (3 row CUV). I...
  15. amb3rgris

    Model 3 Dimensions

    I still can't believe that Tesla would make the Model3 wheelbase larger than the ModelS. These recent extrapolation pics from the MotorTrend shoot seem to continue to support the total length = 0.68 x wheelbase ratio. So if we assume the wheelbase is the same as the S at 116", that puts the...
  16. amb3rgris

    Model 3 Dimensions

    I dunno. I still think it doesn't help tesla to put out a specific number for any dimension. Even if they change it by 1 or 2 inches, I imagine there would be a disproportionate kerfuffle. So if the final design isn't ready until 2017, i think Tesla will wait to publish numbers until then...
  17. amb3rgris

    Model 3 Dimensions

    6 pages of posts and I think the short answer is: "No" Longer answer: Tesla hasn't provided that level of specific information, probably because the M3 that was shown is their reveal prototype. It is definitely not the final car, so that information doesn't actually exist (in a public way) yet...
  18. amb3rgris

    Will M3 be as luxurious/optioned as the MS?

    The world of corporate accounting is a pretty funny one, indeed. There's always room for tweaking and tricks, but I think you can usually get a good idea of what's generally going on from a public company's SEC filings. I think the key point from RobStark's comment is "net" vs. "gross" profits...
  19. amb3rgris

    Speculation : Tesla will start production of the Model 3 earlier ?

    When I read the Tesla/Elon comments regarding the need to alter production plans, my first thought wasn't that they would be able to increase the production timing or rate. There are soooo many moving parts to this plan (Gigafactory, external vendors, etc) that I don't think they can just say...
  20. amb3rgris

    Model 3 Dimensions

    Thanks to all the folks contributing to this thread. I consider this exercise part of the fun that I get for my US@1k (like buying a lottery ticket gives me the "right" to imagine what I would do with US$100 million :)). While the exact dimensions look to be difficult to suss out, it appears...
  21. amb3rgris

    Model 3 Supercharging Capable Discussion

    Bimbels already noted that superchargers entirely powered by solar (or even partially) are not close to being the standard. But I find that the biggest challenge doesn't appear to be the cost of the electricity, but the few selfish people who break the system for the rest. I'm thinking of the...
  22. amb3rgris

    Model 3 Supercharging Capable Discussion

    I've read that certain areas prohibit the "re-sale" of electricity, so you can't have the cost tied directly to the electricity used. I haven't looked into the details, but I imagine it's something that varies (in the US at least) state by state. That much variance in legality in just the US, I...
  23. amb3rgris

    Fear of Delays, and why they are unfounded

    I'll agree with Gilzo on this one. As the recent SEC filing regarding the Model X illustrates, there are over 8,000 unique parts but only a half dozen caused the production issues. Personally, I don't think I'm too concerned about major "delays", in that I believe Tesla has spent a lot of time...
  24. amb3rgris

    Tesla Confirms 325.000 reservations by now !

    I don't think this takes into account what I expect will be the distribution curve for eventual selling prices. I am guessing that Elon's "average" assumes much greater numbers of lower priced models being sold, which would greatly drive down the average. Given historical Tesla and entry luxury...
  25. amb3rgris

    Info and Hints from Elon Tweets

    Well, I think I'd be more inclined for cloth vs leather if I was going bottomless
  26. amb3rgris

    How does the trunk work on the Model 3

    By my eye, the lift back vs notch back trade off seems to result from the basic geometry of the M3, aero, and that rear glass. Notably, the rear overhang look very short to me (which I love), and I believe the rear shape of any object dictates a lot about the aerodynamics which I think requires...
  27. amb3rgris

    Model 3 Possible Configuration and Options, what will you order?

    I know we've all got many (many) months before we even get a clue as to actual options and pricing, but I don't know that you should be counting on those features being included at the 35k base price just yet. Elon did explicitly say auto pilot HARDWARE and SAFETY FEATURES are included. If you...
  28. amb3rgris

    How's your line?

    Thanks for posting this! I was planning on reserving online tonight, but I honestly started to worry about a possible crush of traffic and frustrating delays. So I just stopped by the Palo Alto store (on El Camino, not the one in the Stanford mall). This was around 3pm PST. and there were maybe...
  29. amb3rgris

    When will Model 3 be available if you don't reserve?

    Also, I think the current situation with the Model X might provide some guidance, although as most everyone is stating, no one really knows. From what it looks like, the MX is really starting to ramp up deliveries, but you still can't just "go out and buy" one even now. They are still working...
  30. amb3rgris

    What type of car is Model 3 replacing for you?

    Thanks for posting a poll, Wilhelm. Seeing the results is a nice bonus to this topic of discussion. As I stated in the other thread, I'm coming from a ICE sedan: 2009 Infiniti G37. We replaced our family hauler, so the Model 3 will be the smaller/funner/commuter vehicle for us. I've been...
  31. amb3rgris

    If You're Reserving -what car are you coming from?

    I'm planning on a M3 replacing our 2009 Infiniti G37 sedan. We just replaced a 2002 Toyota Highlander (160k miles) with a Volvo XC90 T8, so the family hauler is finally upgraded. The M3 will be the commute/fun car (although the Volvo is surprisingly quick and nimble, for a 3-row CUV).
  32. amb3rgris

    Model 3 Possible Configuration and Options, what will you order?

    I haven't posted my detailed option guess/preference, but range is pretty high on my list. This isn't because I'm worried about running out during my normal daily use, but rather looking at the longer-range trips I and my family like to take, and looking to be able to make that trip without...
  33. amb3rgris

    My Story: 3 kids, a Model S, cancelling my Model X, and a...Volvo?

    Sorry to jump in here, but I'm actually picking up a XC90 T8 tomorrow. And, like Zaxxon, expecting to get a M3 later. That 59 number is actually the "eMPG" rating that was published all over the place before they had actual efficiency ratings available. So from what I can tell, it has no actual...
  34. amb3rgris

    Looking Forward to the Model 3 Debut

    Good point on the 2017 projections. No one knows that, for sure. But I think that further underlines all the unknowns in this process: * How long will Tesla allow current owners to get priority reservations? * How many existing US Tesla owners will there be at that time, and how many will...
  35. amb3rgris

    Looking Forward to the Model 3 Debut

    Where do you get the 100k number? Remember, the tax credit status is based ONLY on US sales. I'm pretty sure all the estimates I've seen don't have total US Tesla owners near 100k.