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I got a lot of push back from several members here when I predicted a 55KWh pack in the base Model 3. The popular argument being made was that Model 3 SHOULD have at least 60KWh since the Bolt has one as well. Makes no sense to me. Anyway, my bet is still on 55KWh with an EPA rated range of 220...

Tesla should leave the design as it is. I love it. One car cannot be built to everybody's taste. Some claim the front is awesome, but the rear end is boring and disappointing. Some claim the rear is elegant and S-like, but the front is hideous. Some claim the design is perfect, but the trunk...

NICE! That Orange is S3XY as hell! Thanks, Bayol. I'm set on getting orange now. And, if Tesla doesn't offer it, I'll go to my local body shop for a custom paintjob :p

Did this math 2 months ago, on another thread. I guessed the 220 mile range right, and my math for that involved a 55KWh battery pack. The upgrade option will be a 70KWh pack. Now, depending on the economics of the cells produced at the new Gigafactory, Tesla might decide to slap bigger...

Bolt vs Model 3 is not a contest. 1. GM is going to make just 50K Bolts a year 2. Low production volume is due to lack of battery sources. 3. Tesla solved the battery shortage by building their own Gigafactory. 4. GM can never be a serious EV manufacturer without their own Gigafactory. 5. Bolt...

Neither of us know WHY Tesla ditched the instrument panel. We are just making assumptions. But, I do know the dash assembly costs for a HUD will be very similar to that of an IPC, from my work experience as an engineer in the auto industry. As far as cost of the AR-HUD system itself goes, I do...

I want this orange :D

The butt looks just fine. My first reaction was that it looks almost like a Model S from behind. And, that's a good thing. Tesla design is about hiding raw power under elegance and subtlety of the exterior. They are not going for aggressive styling since it is a family car. Wait for the next gen...

Lack of a conventional instrument cluster behind the steering wheel will free up all that in-dash space to easily accommodate an eleven liter system. Ease of manufacture isn't an issue either, since conventional clusters aren't exactly any easier to install compared to a projection system. I...

All of Model S lag issues are due to a 6 year old Tegra SoC being burdened by an increasing list of real-time tasks with each new software update. Try running the new Android Marshmallow on a tablet from 2010 and tell me how that goes. Tesla is not going to do a recall to replace the hardware on...

Lack of Instrument Cluster: Everyone's personal opinions aside, nobody knows whether the eye-travel-distance to a conventional instrument cluster is really less compared to the Model 3's location for the same info. Until you sit in the driver seat and see it for yourself, it is just an...

+1 Did anyone get the official invite yet?

Yup! That was my first reaction too. Angry Owl! :)

It isn't silly to see a $35K sedan being slower than a $80K SUV. The BMW X5 base model does 0 to 60mph in 6.1s while the BMW 320i does the same in 7.1s. You get what you pay for.

My wishlist (reasonable to expect some of them to be options, and not standard) 1. 230+ miles per charge on base M3 2. 160+ miles in 15 minutes @ Superchargers 3. Model X style extra long windshield 4. LED/Laser Headlights 5. 360 degree video (Nissan style Eagle Eye) 6. Built-in Dashcam 7...

Don't waste your time with Darryl. He's been at this for over a month now. He won't stop until the unveiling, where the car drives onto the stage, and proves him wrong once and for all.

It looks like a lot of people are confused with Tesla's wording of owner preference over Model 3 orders. I think there's more than just one factor (ie: owner or employee) to this: 1. Ordering in-store pre-reveal? Or, online post-reveal? 2. Region/Zone you belong to? 3. S/X owner? Tesla...

Welcome to TMC, Mensch Meier :)

That joke has gotten old already. I see a lot of people using it across the forum. Past doesn't always repeat itself.

A Tesla Model S handles way better than a BMW 7 series vehicle, while providing more room. It's because of the low CG skate board design and dynamic torque vectoring Tesla uses. There is absolutely no reason why the Model 3 won't handle better than a BMW 3 series vehicle, while lower CG & torque...

Iirc, Elon Musk's project in college was on the use of super capacitors in EVs. I'm sure he would have already used that technique if it had any real merit in a mass produced EV.

Well, the main constraint to performance with Tesla cars is not the weight of size. Their drivetrains are advanced enough that the bottleneck now is the amount of power that can safely be drawn out of the batteries without overheating them. The larger the battery capacity, the higher the maximum...

I was just pointing out the sportback styling. I find Audi designs very bland and uninspiring as well. I agree with you guys. I hate Audi styling. I was merely pointing out the sportback styling and how other carmakers are using it.

Audi TT Sportback -- Compact sedan -- Slightly smaller in size than the A4

I say level the playing field by stopping oil subsidies, if EV incentives are taken away. Or, keep oil subsidies while also retaining EV subsidies. The oil industry can't have their cake and eat it too.

I wouldn't be surprised if xxD to PxxD upgrade is $10k, while a PxxD to PxxDL upgrade will be $5K. Basically, half of what you see on S or X.

Tesla makes money on optional features. Where each $ they make is invested is up to them. We don't get to segregate each $ made on each optional feature and then claim that specific $ is invested in specific infrastructure. You are assuming that the $2000 paid for the Supercharger feature is...

Speculating: 1) Yes 2) 3.1s with Ludicrous Mode 3) Yes 4) $60,000+ Base price for PxxDL The PxxD without Ludicrous package will be $50,000+ Base price - 0 to 60mph @ 3.5s

Wow! Just wow! This level of entitlement for something Tesla gives its customers for free is mind boggling. Make no mistake; you did not pay a single dime for the electricity used at Superchargers. It is free. You just paid for the onboard charger, just like customers paid for dual onboard...

3, ≡ ... They're the same!

I'd love to see faster charge times, especially Supercharging. 15 minutes to 80% and 30 minutes to 100%. It is mostly wishful thinking, in the short term, I know. Yet, I can't shake off this feeling that there will be a big announcement on reduced charge times with the new batteries & pack...

It is all about categorization/labels. A Beetle was not marketed as a mid size luxury sedan and a BMW 3 series killer now, was it? Also, beetles cost a lot less (adjusted pricing) than $35K when they came out.

Is this for real? If so, then they probably did this to make sure people working that day get a chance to go to a store after work and reserve their model 3. Also, I'd expect an authentic invitation to have a specific time mentioned, for when event starts.

A commercial taxi service would rather have their own solar powered Tesla charges at home base, than to deal with the probability of their cars having to wait in line to charge up at a local supercharger station. As for uber drivers, Tesla can easily keep track of each car's usage statistics...

Nah! It's the GM Aero concept from the 80s.

I got my hands on the Model 3 pic that's been shown to Tesla & Solarcity employees. It looks awesome! LOL.

I am not really a fan of them either, but they do seem to be popular with a lot of people at least at the auto shows. Almost every automaker has a concept prototype of this class now. I'm just speculating that if this design concept does make it to production and gain popularity, Tesla might...

Bolt might be a heavier car due to steel construction and lower energy density batteries; not to forget the inherently crappier aerodynamics of the econobox design. Model 3 might not need the same battery size to get similar range. Again, just speculation. That was the article. LOL. I had...

Given that it is a smaller car, and a sedan to boot, the frontal area is bound to be a lot smaller than that of X. The same nose could actually look a lot nicer on the 3.

This brings back memories. Back in my college days, a couple of my friends and I were goofing off at 3am, in the electronics lab, and started messing with a transducer. We hooked it up to a sheet of glass and started searching for the resonance frequency :P We noticed how a few drops of soda on...

Let's look at it this way: Model S60 is rated at 208 miles EPA. This implies an EPA rating of 3.47miles/kWh. So, if the Model S hypothetically had an S55 variant, then the EPA range would be around 191 miles (ignoring the lower weight of a smaller pack). Now, the S60 has a Cd of 0.24, CdA of...

The new Panasonic 26650 cells are larger, and also have different cathode chemistry (read it in some German article over a year ago). They expect over 40% higher energy density compared to the current gen 18650 cells. This basically means lower weight for packs, faster & cheaper manufacturing...

I hope you are just pulling our collective legs. I was hoping to not see that Storm Trooper face on the Model ☰ :scared:

I'd recommend waiting for more information on the upcoming Model Y. It will definitely have better headroom than Model ☰ since it is a CUV.

There is a good chance that Model C could be a 2+2 Utility Coupe. This new design seems to be a big hit at auto shows lately. We might start seeing these on roads by 2020. Here's a couple of example:

The Hyundai Nuvis... I have a feeling the Model Y will look a lot like this, but with Tesla design elements obviously! :love:

If the future Model R is anything like this, I'll sell my kidney to put the Founder's deposit down :tongue: JK... I'm pretty sure it will end up being a Hardtop Convertible, and not a Coupe. :smile:

That's a BMW 5 series converted to a pickup... lol I wonder how many people would actually buy a Tesla Model P that looks similar to that? -- Assuming a range of 300 miles, and tow capacity of 15,000 lbs.