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    Scheming the Most Affordable Way to Own an S For a While

    Yeah, I see that the 3 is cheaper than the S and depreciates less. Renting seems to cost ≈$150/day, $1000/week. Doesn't make sense to me. Buying new won't work. First, that's where all the depreciation is. Second, waiting time is very long right now, doesn't work for my schedule.
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    Scheming the Most Affordable Way to Own an S For a While

    I can't afford a Tesla. But I really want a Tesla. I've been plotting options for years, and have an idea: Buy a 2 year old used S and sell it a year later, eating the depreciation (≈$15K loss is relatively viable). Notes: I'm moving out of the country in a year...and can buy for cash...
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    Why I'm Not Opting for Full Self-Driving

    If you thought my thesis was "Is Not!" then I suppose "Is Too!" makes an apt response. But, no, I was hoping for counter-evidence. So: which features do you use all the time? And how does it improve your life?
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    Why I'm Not Opting for Full Self-Driving

    Just cuz it's a chowder shack doesn't mean you gotta get chowder.
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    Why I'm Not Opting for Full Self-Driving

    Simpler to just offer a gift certificate for divorce lawyering.
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    Why I'm Not Opting for Full Self-Driving

    It's funny. Me, too, for the most part. I love driving (in fact, one aspect discouraging my purchase is the lack of real, tight road feel in the steering). However, I'd also enjoy FSD at certain times. Late nights. While sleepy. Traffic jams. When I need to arrive fresh-feeling at a distant...
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    Why I'm Not Opting for Full Self-Driving

    Missile Toad, Godspeed in your quest. Now why are you interrupting my thread with this again?
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    Why I'm Not Opting for Full Self-Driving

    Ok, thanks, folks. I've read up some on NoA, and, frankly, I'd rather take the wrong lane and backtrack if I occasionally miss an exit (adding maybe 40 minutes of needless driving per year) rather than pay $10K to let the car direct it - especially given reports, above, that even the car may get...
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    Why I'm Not Opting for Full Self-Driving

    I love Savannah. But come to NYC, Chicago, SF, etc., where things are packed dense and everyone's in a big hurry and nobody likes to wait nor yield right of way. As-is, drivers are near homicidal maniacs and pedestrians basically recapitulate primitive society puberty rights, defying certain...
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    Why I'm Not Opting for Full Self-Driving

    I was hoping for answers exactly like yours! I'm not trying to thrust my opinion in people's faces, I'm looking for correction. Maybe I am misunderstanding the tech! Which features only available via the $10K FSD buy-in do you find useful on long trips?
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    Why I'm Not Opting for Full Self-Driving

    I'm inching closer to yielding to temptation and buying a 3 or S. Like all prospective new owners, I'm grappling with the FSD option, and have decided against. I realize many of you sprang for FSD, so I hope I'm wrong! But here fwiw is my reasoning for saving the $10K. If I'm missing...
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    New Buyer Questions

    So you mean just the standard highway feature, not the $10K upgrade? I can sense your enormous energy from your writing. I hope I'm like you when I grow up!!
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    New Buyer Questions

    I didn't know about Lucid till now. Interesting! Thanks!
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    New Buyer Questions

    I thought S had nicer (and more car-like) interior. Also, I see that 3 just introduced heated rear seats ("we kill them but we do not freeze them"), but what about the fronts on 3 and S?
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    New Buyer Questions

    on long trips I often drive >300 miles in a day. Also I can’t be sure I’ll always have charge options overnight.
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    New Buyer Questions

    Crutonius’ posting about battery longevity made me dig into the warrantee info. 400 mile range sounds great, but I see only 70% of that is warranteed, and 280 mile range would be barely adequate. Are batteries maintaining range decently for 4,5,6 years?
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    New Buyer Questions

    Two for two re: smart replies! Thanks to you both! Re: battery replacement, gulp. That’s gonna be turbulent. Used vehicle prices are still quite high, but as soon as batteries start wimping out there’ll be some serious game theory out there.
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    New Buyer Questions

    Every few years I lose my mind and consider breaking my budget to buy an "S". Here I am again...and have some questions: 1. I was surprised to see some experts are down re: Tesla's approach toward full self-driving (i.e. issues of hi-def maps and LIDAR). I'm sure this is a debate that could...
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    Was There Ever, Or Will There Ever Be, a $35K Model 3?

    More like scrambling to reduce. But I agree with your read of the tea leaves....
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    Was There Ever, Or Will There Ever Be, a $35K Model 3?

    What I'm asking is whether the currently advertised $32K model (actually $46k) is, in Tesla's eyes, the under $35K model. I'm trying to parse their baffling internal logic. Being mentally healthy, it's tough going. Even more confusing, some Tesla dealer woman from NJ keeps emailing, texting...
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    Was There Ever, Or Will There Ever Be, a $35K Model 3?

    I've had a deposit in for quite some time now, and been patiently waiting for the $35,000 model. I haven't been keeping up with news, and just went to Tesla.com, and discovered that a $32,200 model is available. But it costs $46,000. Because they factored in gas savings and incentives. Maybe I...
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    Autonomy of A8 vs Tesla

    Great thread, great replies, thanks everybody!
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    Autonomy of A8 vs Tesla

    Hey, malcolm, That's really interesting, and I think I understand some of that, but not all. To save you from explaining, is there some article I can read (or a thread here) that flushes out a bit the diff between the two philosophies?
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    Autonomy of A8 vs Tesla

    Yeah, that's what I thought. It was lousy reporting to give the impression this was something new. Usually The Verge is pretty good....
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    Autonomy of A8 vs Tesla

    For a newbie who does not own a Tesla (nor any other car with autonomy beyond cruise control), can anyone explain the following passage from Verge's review of the Audi A8, which appears to me to describe precisely what Tesla's Autopilot already does? I understand A8 has locked capability to do...
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    Question About Last Week's Announcement

    Those are not the areas I'm talking about.
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    Question About Last Week's Announcement

    You swing your umbrella, thrust your baby carriage, or dangle your leg and you'd find out PDQ if the approaching car's autonomous or not. Also, most sources predict saturation much much sooner than that. And sooner still for trucks. Lots of rear-end accidents when trucks brake to a halt even...
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    Question About Last Week's Announcement

    That, too, is an edge case. I'm talking about low/no speed urban situations, e.g. cars trying to move when light turns green if every pedestrian knows there's no peril to jay-walking. A mere umbrella would be a magic wand able to control oncoming traffic (this is leaving aside the...
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    Question About Last Week's Announcement

    So you're saying the dilemma of whether to mow over little Jimmy or else plow directly into that truck will be more likely and frequent than the dilemma of pedestrians exploiting their priority? Under present conditions, yes. Are you posting from the future, where autonomous cars are the norm...
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    Question About Last Week's Announcement

    I think you're both focusing on remote edge cases when much more obvious, frequent, and unfeasible snags will arise. In cities, the only thing keeping pedestrians patiently waiting on sidewalks (instead of trying to cross streets in front of cars) is their uncertainty re: the attention...
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    Question About Last Week's Announcement

    But it already is, no? (I should note: I'm not a Tesla owner). My question (which seems not to be properly conveying) is that, apart from certain highly specific maneuvers (which are mostly about proving a technical point or enabling owners to guzzle vodka during the ride - i.e. require...
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    Question About Last Week's Announcement

    So current autopilot will continue as-is, with incremental enhancement, until it's replaced by a massively superior FSDC? I.e. current autopilot is but a far shadow of what FSDC will eventually be?
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    Question About Last Week's Announcement

    Thanks! But you've sort of brushed aside the distinction I wanted explained: If the hardware's available and attached, would the missing part be an actual feature set, or is it simply a matter of how it's titled and marketed? I.e. is this like late-stage beta software which eventually is sold...
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    Question About Last Week's Announcement

    My understanding is that current production includes all hardware necessary for full autonomy, but implementation of full autonomy won't happen for a year or so, depending on legislation, etc. If I got that right, does this mean new cars can't yet use the new hardware (i.e. it's to be enabled...
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    Newbie Charging Questions

    Interesting posting, thanks, ReddyLeaf. I wonder why there's no informal network of private Tesla owners allowing others to use their home charging stations while not charging, themselves. It's not that much of a security risk...it's not like someone in a ford pinto could pose as someone...
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    Newbie Charging Questions

    Even NY Tristate (where I live) has a pretty serious dearth of superchargers. And if I do buy an "S", it's gonna be the most stripped-down, base car possible (cuz I'm already like $60K above budget), so upgraded battery is a non-starter. But, even with increasing EV ownership, you guys really...
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    Newbie Charging Questions

    Ok, that's non-viable, then, with a typical 10-12 hour hotel stay. Not thrilled to shrink my hotel choices to those with charge stations. I've resolved that buying a Tesla would work for me while at home - I realistically never drive more than 200 miles, even with frantic errand-running. But...
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    Newbie Charging Questions

    I understand that 110V charge is workable, albeit slow. I'm just wondering how actually possible it is to find a plug, and to string out extension cords (i.e. liability issues for pedestrians), etc etc. Just sounds like something that wouldn't work in real world.
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    Newbie Charging Questions

    Non-owner here, couple quick questions about charging while on road trips: 1. How do you handle charging while staying at hotels (ones that don't have fancy garages that might include chargers)? I've seen threads here where people report that they can usually connect, as a last resort, via 110v...
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    Questions about Master Plan 2

    This thread is about Musk's "Master Plan, Part Deux", which can be read here. It includes this: Create a smoothly integrated and beautiful solar-roof-with-battery product that just works, empowering the individual as their own utility, and then scale that throughout the world. One ordering...
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    Questions about Master Plan 2

    Fantastic! Thanks so much for gracing me with your testiness! Anyone else?
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    Questions about Master Plan 2

    I'm not a Tesla owner....just Tesla-curious. So I'm hoping you guys are more dialed-in, and can clear up a few things. 1. I know specifics haven't been announced, but is there informed speculation about how much range might be extended via factory-installed solar (on super sunny days as well as...
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    Critique My Strategy: Blindly Buying the Base Model

    Can you please fill me in on what and where that refund is? If I travel to buy a Tesla, can I get sales tax breaks I can't get near home? My understanding is that HEPA removes particles, not gases, fwiw.
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    Critique My Strategy: Blindly Buying the Base Model

    I don't expect the competition to hit critical mass till 2022. By then model 3 will be in v2, with bugs shaken out, and other carmakers will have had a chance to iterate. Until then, I suspect S will reign. I'm being lured in to early adoption at a steep surcharge. By 2022, cheaper/better...
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    Critique My Strategy: Blindly Buying the Base Model

    Where would you look if you were me? I do like the idea of having Tesla's sanction, but.....
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    Critique My Strategy: Blindly Buying the Base Model

    With all this stagnation, why can't I find a good deal? Is it that sellers are financially sound enough that they have no incentive to really cut price to meet demand?
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    Critique My Strategy: Blindly Buying the Base Model

    Cab, yes, this thread has reassured me that my strategy of going for a base, stripped-down car would still scratch all important itches for me. I'm grateful for the help. But one question: if Teslas depreciate so quickly, why are used ones so expensive? I took a quick look at CPO price lists...
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    Critique My Strategy: Blindly Buying the Base Model

    Hmm. After further thought.... The problem with that thinking is that by the time I sell my S, the 3 should be available, meaning potential S buyers will be even more skewed toward luxury add-ons than presently. So once 3 is out, it may be tougher to sell a base S. The problem is compounded by...
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    Critique My Strategy: Blindly Buying the Base Model

    (Belated) thanks for the super smart and helpful post, EV Holiday.