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    Available UPDATE (Sold) - 2018 Model 3 LR RWD White 50k miles with FSD - $27k OBO (Northern Virginia)

    I'm about to trade in this vehicle to Tesla, but figured I'd post it here for a little more than Tesla's trade-in offer ($22,600) on the off chance that anyone is interested. Model: 2018 LR RWD Mileage: 49,224 Exterior color : White Interior color : Black 18 inch aero wheels FSD (running FSD...
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    After-market tow hitch on refresh Model S?

    Has anyone put a tow hitch on their refresh Model S LR? I read somewhere that these aftermarket hitches can cause issues with the USS sensors, but presumably this is not an issue with the vision-only vehicles. I also read that Tesla won't enable tow mode for aftermarket hitches. Does this...
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    Speculation - if/when Tesla merges FSD to the production branch, what will that mean for AP/EAP?

    I'm sure Tesla would love to throw away the old AP stack and focus only on FSD, with functionality just unlocked depending on the subscription/purchase. It occurs to me however that this is not as straightforward as it might sound. Imagine they push a new production build in a month or so that...
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    2021 Model X 6 seater with FSD in Virginia - $82,000

    I'm selling my midnight silver metallic 2021 Model X Long Range Plus: Long Range Plus 6 Seater all heated ($6500) MSM exterior ($1500) New tires - Continental CrossContact LX Sport (bought six months ago) Premium Upgrades package which includes heated seats, heated wipers, heated steering wheel...
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    Hilariously sloppy lane markings on I-267 in Virginia

    I'm actually amazed that the old lane keeping AP stack was able to deal with this situation. It's been like this in multiple locations on this road for weeks. It's like they were swerving all over the place with the lane marking truck, and never bothered to fix it.
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    What are your most common intervention scenarios?

    I've been in the beta program since 10.2 and - while there have certainly been regressions - FSDb has gone from being erratic and scary to quite predictable, almost boring! Zero intervention trips are now common, and even my long daily commute only has a couple of them, usually at predictable...
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    Stuck on old FSD Beta version - advice?

    This is not a post just to complain about being on an older beta version. I'm just sharing my experience and hoping to hear from others who have had something similar happen, either recently or on earlier beta builds. I've been in the beta since 10.2. Of course I don't always get the new...
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    Path to FSD Beta wide release by end of year

    I am not saying this will happen - in fact if I were a betting man I'd say we don't see wide release by end of year (defined as anyone who has paid for FSD can enable the beta). It also probably goes without saying, but any kind of robust Level 3 that doesn't require constant driver...
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    Those who reset score - how soon after reaching 99/100 (100+ miles) did you receive FSD Beta?

    This past weekend I opted out/back in to FSD Beta on my Model X (to reset my wife's 88 score). After a couple of days of good driving I hit 100 with 104 miles (yesterday afternoon). Today I drove another 40 miles and maintained my 100 score. No beta email or download yet. I'd love to hear...
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    FSD Beta: Perception vs path planning/driving logic

    I may be oversimplifying, but after a few weeks using FSD Beta I've come to the following conclusion: perception is great, path planning and driving logic not so much. Perception is great at least based on the 'mind of the car' visualizations. Intersections, lane lines, stop signs/traffic...
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    Number of FSD button pressers (wild speculation thread)

    I'm sure a lot of us are wondering how many other people we're in line behind waiting to get the beta. I'd like to offer up some completely unfounded speculation (and welcome similar wild guesses from others). Tesla has sold approximately 888,000 vehicles in the US since AP 2.0 was released in...
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    There was never a plan

    This is not a rant or complaint about the way Tesla has handled the FSD rollout - there are plenty of threads on that topic. What I find fascinating is that, despite the fact that Tesla has been working on FSD since AP 2.0 was released exactly 5 years ago, it is clear that no one gave any...
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    I'm done with Traffic Light Control

    I just turned off this 'feature' as it's more dangerous than it's worth. Here's the thing - it has no issue accurately recognizing the state of traffic lights. I've never seen it get this wrong. However the confirmation requirement is the problem. Today was the last straw. Whenever I approach...
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    Auto lane change on X - blinker doesn't turn off?

    When AP is enabled on my 2020 Model X and I activate the turn signal, it changes lanes as expected. However, the blinker remains on after the lane change is complete. This doesn't happen on my 2018 Model 3 - it performs the auto-lane change and then the blinker turns off. Why is the behavior...
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    New button to enable FSD Beta download?

    I know everyone has seen Elon's recent tweets, including this one: First, it's hard to give much credence to this claim. Will this button appear as promised? What will pressing the button do? I am highly skeptical that next week the FSD Beta will be available immediately to everyone who has...
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    Falcon Wing Door hit parking garage roof - normal?

    I opened the falcon wing door on our month-old Model X in a parking garage this morning. It swung up and hit a concrete section of the roof above. Fortunately the damage was a single tiny paint chip. How can I test whether the sensors are working correctly on this door? The same door tried to...
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    Just picked up new X - curious for feedback on some issues

    Just picked up my '21 Long Range X, MSM six seater. Overall I'm very happy with it. There were a couple of panel gap/alignment issues (I included a pic of the worst one), but Tesla assured me they can fix this under warranty. I did notice what seems like a decent sized scratch/marking on the...
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    Question about 'Final Payment Due'

    I ordered my X on 11/16. Today I received my VIN and an email to submit my final cash payment. My delivery estimate is 12/15-12/31. I won't have the necessary funds available in my back account for about a week. My question is - will I delay my delivery if I don't pay the final balance due...
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    Cost to upgrade to FSD from EAP still the same?

    I'm in the market for a used Model X with EAP. I'm curious whether the cost to upgrade from EAP to FSD is still $5,000, after the FSD package was raised to $10k today. Does anyone who has EAP mind checking to see if the upgrade price has changed? I would really appreciate it!
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    New green light chimes shed light on FSD lane awareness

    Tesla recently rolled out an option to enable a 'chime' when the light you're waiting at turns green (regardless of whether AP is on). The traffic light renderings were always so crude that I often wondered whether the car understood which lane was controlled by which light. But since enabling...
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    Why no FSD 'leaks' from Elon?

    Elon's comments on the earnings call got me thinking - if his alpha build is so amazing, why has he never been tempted to tweet out a teaser video showing impressive FSD maneuvers? I know this question is unanswerable - only Elon knows. But just based on his personality and openness on social...
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    What will happen within the next 6 1/2 weeks?

    With approximately six weeks left in 2019, Tesla is running out of time to live up to a specific commitment that has been on the order page since Autonomy Investor Day: One outcome that seems impossible is that all FSD owners will be enjoying traffic light recognition and 'automatic driving...
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    City NoA - Navigating around stopped cars

    City NoA (which is somehow still listed on the Tesla web site as coming 'later this year'!) is often boiled down two major features, at least for 'feature complete': traffic light/stop sign recognition, and turning at intersections. During my commute I rely heavily on NoA (on highways) and...
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    No longer check blindspot?

    This isn't quite an AP/FSD topic, but I wasn't sure where else to put it. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but in the 30 years I've been driving I have become accustomed to *always* checking my blind spot (in addition to the side mirror) before changing lanes. This habit continued after I purchased my...
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    Four months to go ... tick tock

    Back in February, the description for FSD on the order page was changed to this: "Coming later this year: Recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs. Automatic driving on city streets." I know Tesla has made a lot of misleading claims about AP over the years. However to my...
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    FSD Use Case 1 - Single Lane Bridge

    I decided it might be fun to start posting interesting 'edge cases' we encounter in daily driving, and discuss how/whether/when we think Tesla's FSD will be able to handle them without driver intervention, based on what we know today about their approach to autonomous vehicles. My first example...
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    Enhanced Summon, where are you?

    Back in early April Elon tweeted out that ES would be rolling out widely 'next week'. Yesterday he pushed this back to 'later this month': Elon Musk on Twitter I'm not usually one to complain about Tesla's over-promising in the FSD department, but it really is astonishing to me that they are...
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    Enhanced summon - improve 'regular' summon?

    I don't know about anyone else, but I think the existing 'Summon' functionality has actually gotten worse over the years. My 2016 Model S could pull itself out of and into our garage pretty reliably. My new Model 3 invariably gives up after the first couple of feet, even when it has a clear...
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    Missed EOQ but still want an X - is this a decent deal?

    I'm just wondering if inventory Model Xs were significantly lower right before EOQ - if they were, I'll just wait until next quarter: Model X 75D 5YJXCDE23JF121597 | Tesla 2018 Model X 75D Midnight Silver / White Premium / EAP $78,500 Also it says there's a $1,000 delivery fee to ship from MI...
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    Poll: No confirmation NoA this week?

    Elon claimed as much on Twitter: Elon Musk on Twitter Of course, Elon claims a lot of things on Twitter. I don't even know that NoA confirmations *should* be disabled, unless NoA itself has gotten a lot better. That said, I'm hoping it's better *and* fully automatic. What do you think?
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    Predictions - "Automatic driving on city streets."

    With the recent update to all things FSD (packaging, pricing, description), the features coming this year have been summed up as: Recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs. Automatic driving on city streets. The first one is pretty straightforward. I would expect that when...
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    Elon: "Feature complete for full self driving this year"

    He's at it again, this time on the ARK podcast: On the Road to Full Autonomy With Elon Musk — FYI Podcast "I think we will be feature complete FSD this year, meaning the car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up and take you all the way to your destination this year. I would...
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    Tesla's autopilot strategy - incremental steps to FSD

    When AP 2.0 hardware was released (along with a video showing a fully autonomous drive from a residential neighborhood to the Tesla Factory), Tesla made it sound like FSD was just around the corner. The Web page for FSD described it as if it was ready for release, even going so far as to warn...
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    Limo crash

    I don't want to in any way trivialize this recent tragedy in upstate New York. But accidents like this really make you think about the way autonomous vehicle incidents are covered by the media. Can you imagine if an autonomous vehicle blew through a stop sign at a three way intersection and...
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    Mobile app slow for Model 3?

    I had an S before my 3. When I opened the iOS Tesla mobile app, it connected to the car almost immediately. With my 3, it spins in 'waking up' mode for a long time (it varies, but never less than 15-20 seconds). Is this everyone else's experience?
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    Expiring tax credit will help resale value of early Model 3s?

    This may be an insanely obvious point so I apologize if this has been discussed already. My understanding is that Tesla has built/delivered close to 10k Model 3s to date. Depending on when they hit the 200k mark, they may have 2 or 3 quarters left with the full federal tax credit. So let's say...
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    Will Tesla let me do this?

    I reserved my Model 3 on 2/19. No VIN yet and I'm East coast so I'm not expecting it until after the end of this quarter. I'm starting to think I should have waited around for AWD. I would gladly pay $4k for AWD if it were available today. My question is - anyone know whether Tesla will let me...
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    What's my Model S worth?

    I'm debating swapping my Model S for an M3 (got the invite this week). Tesla quoted me $46,800 for trade-in. I've heard that you can do much better at private sale or somewhere like CarMax. Details: Model S75D Late 2016 (AP 1.0) 11,000 miles Solid white paint Black next-gen seats Pano roof...
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    Replace side mirror glass myself?

    My wife was having too much fun with our S75D yesterday and sideswiped a garbage can. The passenger side mirror housing itself is fine (still folds in and out, etc.), but the mirror glass was shattered. I was able to easily remove the damaged piece by simply unplugging three wires on the back...
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    Powerwall - Numbers don't add up (for me at least)

    I want to want the new Powerwall. But none of the use cases add up for me (all estimates based on buying two Powerwalls for $13,000): 1) Time of use load shifting I have an EV pricing plan from Dominion Virginia. Off-peak power is ~4c per kWh, on-peak power is ~8c per kWh. Assuming I can...
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    Own for two years - the lease vs buy math

    I recently took delivery of my S75D about a month ago. At the time I had to decide between the 2 year lease or buying the car. I'm in line for an M3, so I *may* end up trading in this car in two years or possibly less. The AP2.0 announcement has made this even more likely. Here's where I'm...
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    Standard sound system - my only disappointment

    I picked up my Model S75D (white, pano roof, black next gen seats, AP) last Thursday. I love everything about the car, except the sound system. I'm annoyed with myself because my original config included UHFS, but I removed it right before finalizing the order to save a few bucks. I'm not an...
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    Summon into garage stopped by small step

    My garage floor (like many) is a little higher than the driveway, with a small 'lip' at the entrance. I haven't measured it but it looks like about 1/2 inch. When I use summon to park my Model S in the garage, it will move forward until the first set of tires hit this ridge (I've tried both...
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    Car being delivered Thursday, but now inventory vehicles on sale....

    So this is a fun one. I have the following car scheduled for pick up Thursday: Model S60D Pano roof Black next-gen seats Autopilot MSRP is $77,500 (before tax credit, referral credit, no delivery fee charged). However it looks like Tesla is taking 7-9k off their inventory cars. As a result...
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    Do delivery dates ever move earlier?

    I noticed my car switched to 'In Transit' yesterday, so I contacted my DS today. He let me know it was on its way and he scheduled delivery for next Friday (9/23). He said that if the car did come in earlier he would definitely move the delivery date in. Question - has this ever happened, for...
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    Autopilot now $3k. Why?

    As discovered by @Stasla , enabling Autopilot on the Model S configuration page is now $3,000 ($3,500 after delivery). This appears to have changed after the announcement today. Interestingly, if I edit my pending order (going to production on 8/27), the Autopilot option is still only $2,500...
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    Black is the new black?

    I placed my Model S order a couple of days ago and now I'm staring at my Tesla on the configuration page. The entire car is black. I'm wondering if it's too much? Would love input from others, especially if you have a similar configuration. I started with leather seats. I would have considered...
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    X vs S - what am I missing?

    I admit I'm a Tesla noob. I ordered a Model S60 with AWD, Pano roof, and leather seats yesterday. Today I stopped by the dealership with my wife just to show her the S in person. We started looking at the X. I had never considered it because I assumed it was significantly more expensive. Then...
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    Quote for HPWC install

    I called an electrician listed on Tesla's Web site to install a HPWC in my garage. It's a simple install - the HPWC will be mounted right next to my electrical panel. It'll be installed on a 60amp circuit for 48amp output. His quote was $600 (includes all materials, permits, etc. etc.). Is this...
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    Buy Model S until M3 arrives. Am I crazy?

    I put down my M3 deposit online the day after the reveal. Who knows when I'll get my M3 but I'm going with sometime mid-2018. I'd like an interim EV to hold me over. Initially I looked at the BMW i3. It's an ugly little car but no worse than any of the other non-Tesla EVs. I can get a 24 month...