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Indeed, look at what is happening to VW.. Perhaps they should blacklist all the people they deceived with their clean diesel...Perhaps Tesla should hire those software engineers, atleast they made something happen. Look, I dont EVER want another Tesla anything, and I will be sure to tell my...

Reading tea leaves ... I prefer the alternative narrative, they did it to collect enough video for the bait and switch video for FSD Level 5 options. Irrelevant to me, since it wasn't an option when I purchased, and I dont believe they will ever have that up and running in the next two years...

Very interesting read on what happened; too much reliance on autonomous systems and their sensors; when those failed, the pilots were flying blind - literally - no speedometer - and the angle of attack remained at 35 up angle with engines at 100% and they still smashed into the ocean at 175mph -...

Exactly! I bought (leased) the car and read and re-read the order agreement and terms and conditions - it doesn't say anything about them removing features after the sale agreement, only that future features would be likely unavailable. This is a voidable contract ab initio. The bad faith in...

Chill pill, seriously? After shelling out 160k for a car that doesn't do any of the things promised in a written contract, you fanboys are living in some alternative universe. I bought a car not a freakin religion. Praise be to E-on may he grant me new features in the morning. This business...

Yep, it's the lane change assist, side collision, rain sensing wipers and headlight safety features being missing that piss me off too. Never mind paying for things that aren't there. To Mr Wings point about trading, I don't want someone else's used vehicle, but if someone wants to buy out and...

BS, u are inventing crap to cover your bad decisions (perhaps u have stock options or something). Please god I hope the arrogant pricks in Palo Alto blacklist me after giving me a refund, as I said I canceled my 3 preorder and the power wall. I think Elon suffers from sort of mental illness and...

I ordered in Jul before any reveal. I asked them to give me p100d for extra cost when that was revealed. They did, my original order says AP not eap. They changed hw WITHOUT telling me. AND DID NOT tell me that my AP features wouldn't work at all until the day of delivery Dec 23. At that...

Absolutely wrong, you are making assumptions that are not fact. Clearly the people defending this crap online also are making assumptions. No one ever told me they were switching my hardware, or that none of it would work.

Yeah yeah yeah, I didn't sign up to be a beta tester, when I ordered my car AP 1.0 was not in beta, they demonstrate all the features, and when they delivered my car none of them worked. Now only two of them partially worked, my point is despite my agreeing to the "notification" that it's beta...

So I still think the whole thing has been a bait and switch. I test drove the AP1.0 Model X in June, and based on how smooth and well the system handled the road I purchased. Now with the software finally running in Beta mode, I can echo all the other experiences. The lines designating the...

That is EXACTLY what happened. I reversed, then put back in park while dealing with the front passenger door that was reporting a fault, and dealing with the rear seat (5 seater) latch sensor failure. Went back to reversing, and BANG. still my fault but completely distracted

Ya, Im crying I got hardware that has no software to drive it. Its a dumb brick.

EXACTLY - in fact the opposite occurred, they said those features would be there

WOW! That is what the screen should have looked like. In my build on my AP 2.0 THAT IS NOT THE SCREEN WHEN REVERSING. I had the camera view in the lower screen, No overlay of the radar, and above was the google browser. The radar overlay was in the center cluster. making one have to look in...

I guess I really don't know what I am talking about. I really keep saying all I want are the safety features LCA, Blindspot, collision avoidance on now. The other stuff can come when it comes, I don't care, I wasn't going to use autosteering anyway. I apologize if I am confusing features, I...

Armchair psychiatrist eh? I gave them 30 days to fix it. That is entirely reasonable

What really irks me is that some software engineer spent time writing code so my Model X could do some stupid holiday display, which was quite funny actually when I ran it for my neighbors, but couldn't be bothered with turning on lane change departure warning or blindspot detection. It tells...

Funny you should ask, that is EXACTLY what I asked for today in my certified demand letter to Tesla. I would gladly keep the car if they turned on the life/safety features tomorrow! The dissonance you refer to is my internal disappointment at being sold something that doesn't equate to what...

Exactly my point! Where in my purchase agreement does it say I am a beta tester or that I even authorize "shadow mode?"

Yup I'm leasing, and again, I bought the car NOT for autosteering or self driving, but because it has safety features like lane change assist, blindspot warning (horrible blindspot in a cayenne by the way), and other things. I am paying for features that don't exist - Great if they all come on...

Eh! Up to you, but if the culture of the company is to continue this dubious marketing scheme they will never reach critical mass. And if they do, God help them.

Naw, aint gonna take 30K hit over it; it's gonna be Tesla's problem one way or another - already asked them to take it back and cancelled my Powerwall and Model 3 reservations.

My buyers remorse is that none of it works and you guys keep telling me to have faith and be patient - the last time they rolled out AP it took a year to get it working. and again I could give 2 sh*ts about AP, I just want the safety features that are completely missing. Why is that software so...

Screen Shot 2017-01-09 At 10.33.41 PM by Mike's X posted Jan 9, 2017 at 10:35 PMOral and written on the vehicle confirmation sheet - I ordered AP 1.0 and they replaced it without my consent and without informing me to AP 2.0

Nope ordered it in the store with the salesperson, who promised that those items were going to be delivered with the car and even showed us the features during our test drive.

and the specification is "at delivery" which in my case was December 23

The advertisement is the contract

Haha . I am entitled to get what I paid for, I did not, why does this cause so much visceral reaction?

lets not forget blindspot warning, front collision avoidance, myriad other things besides autosteer or self driving. None of those other things require regulatory approval, they just don't work - - automatic windshield wipers? auto dimming headlights?

the unusuable and/or impractical revolves around lane departure and side collision avoidance NOT hands free driving.

1) n. intentional dishonest act by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations, misleading another, entering into an agreementwithout the intention or means to fulfill it, or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others. Most states recognizewhat is called "implied covenant of...

Nope no disclaimers when I ordered it - it said available and my contract said the features would be in the car. They are not.

First payment due January 23.

You can assume the lease and give me 5K for my initial deposit and acquisition fee. I really really DONT want it, and am cancelling my Model 3 order and the power wall.

Too true on it being my fault - yes I hit the parked car - but the GUI is awful -- on my porsche cayenne the entire screen becomes the camera, the outline of the car appears on the screen showing both the sensor data and the foot print of the car. Oh ya, and theres are real gear shift lever...

You guys are a bunch of fanboys- the car was promised and ordered with options. NONE are in the car. Didn't sign up to be an alpha or a beta tester. Not whining, just not right. If this is the culture, wait till Elon tries to roll out hundreds of thousands of cars.

I am new to this form, and would like to share my perspective. My good friend has a model S with autopilot 1.0. All he ever does is talk about how wonderful it was in terms of navigating rush-hour traffic. I live in Southern California, and my wife and I thought this would be a great option for...