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Yes, I saw that. But it's still nice to get confirmation from another company, especially one with a car that's far along in its development (and arguably leading the SDC race).

In the medium article and youtube video linked below, Waymo claims that their car can see in snowy conditions. They show an image of what seems to be what their car sees with LIDAR, and they show it before and after filtering. This highlights the idea that LIDAR might not be totally useless in...

There's no proof that something weird is going on in Tesla's self driving video. However, the 2016 California disengagement report strongly implies that Tesla simply drove their car over the same course multiple times over a few days, until they got good footage. At the very least, the...

I don't know. That's a good question. I speculate that to drive with vision only (and radar), your vision needs to be at 100%, while if you have vision and LIDAR (and radar), your vision only needs to be at 99% (or 99.999%). The implication is that getting something from 99% to 100% is very...

Technically true. But the question is this: will we be able to develop cheap LIDAR first, or a supercomputer that can drive with vision (and radar) only?

Exactly. If Tesla's vision system isn't advanced enough to see the rain and activate the windshield wipers consistently, it's difficult to be optimistic about their ability to deliver on FSD.

On what basis do you say that Waymo's AI is limited? Doesn't the fact that they are able to train it by running simulations indicate that their car's ability to learn is actually relatively sophisticated and well-developed?

Excuse my ignorance, but why is it Vision AI vs Mapping/LIDAR? Doesn't Waymo use both? Are people arguing that Tesla's Vision AI is stronger (or will be stronger) than Waymo's? And if Waymo does have strong Vision AI, why are they restricted to only pre-mapped areas? Or is it just out of caution?

@Tam I've already acknowledged that I know Ford has algorithms that can see through rain/snow. However, what I was asking about was whether or not other companies (such as Waymo or Mobileye) are using a similar algorithm as well.

I looked into the Bloomberg article you mentioned, and the "highly effective in rain, fog, and snow," is actually in reference to LIDAR. Alphabet’s Waymo Cuts Cost of Key Self-Driving Sensor by 90% I don't see anywhere in either of your articles where they say LIDAR can see through rain or...

I've seen conflicting information on this. Can you give me a source for this information? I've seen a few press releases and news articles about Ford's system, but do you have a link to original research paper? Or can you show me another company, such as Waymo or Mobileye that have also...

What's the difference between L2 and L3? If the human is supposed to take over even when not alerted by the L3 system, how is this different than L2? It seems like the human has to monitor the environment in the L3 just as much as in a L2.

Excuse my ignorance, is the backup camera the same as the rear facing camera used by autopilot? A little bit of rain or mud on the ground isn't particularly harsh. A thin mist of water spray from neighbouring cars is quite common where I live. If you're unlucky, some of the droplets could get...

Doesn't your argument imply that Tesla's current AP2 hardware won't be sufficient for level 5 FSD? The side and back cameras don't have any wipers, so all it would take is some unlucky mud spray from other drivers.

You don't think AP2 can even reach Level 3 eventually? I think you may be a little too pessimistic. If what you predict comes true, Tesla will have a massive lawsuit on their hands.

I don't think we're making too big of an assumption. When you look at the disengagement data released by California, it shows lots of disengagements within a relatively few number of miles driven, which heavily implies that Tesla drove the same route multiple times until they got a good take...

But the question is whether they're comparing the same situations. Autopilot is mainly used on highways. Is the control group, cited by Tesla, cars driving on highways, or is it all cars?

To be fair to Elon, he has acknowledged job displacement from AI as being an issue and believes the UBI will be necessary at some point. But I agree with you that Elon spends way more of his time talking about the dangers of super-intelligence, rather than speaking of the much more immediate...

But if it's a level 3 (or 4 or 5) system, the blame, by definition, lays solely on the self-driving system. If the driver needs to pay attention, then it's still level 2, no matter which road conditions it can handle.

Even if you personally don't care about Level 5 FSD, FSD is a big deal. If cars can completely drive themselves, the the ownership equation changes completely; since you could have large fleets of autonomous cars, ride sharing could become more prevalent. Then, there's the fact that people who...

This is an interesting theory, and it fits on many levels; it seems as if the negative feelings are driven by a sense of betrayal. However, one thing that wouldn't make sense under your narrative is the fact that bladerskb was still making pro-Tesla posts in November, praising Tesla's AP2, which...

A lot of people here seem to think that bladerskb has an agenda against Tesla. However, if you look at his posts on Reddit 8 months ago, you'll see that he was actually very pro Tesla at one point. Tesla Self Driving Cars blows Uber away, rivals Google's • r/SelfDrivingCars Tesla Full...