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Reactionary in what way? To increase the price further? As in, a Fed tax credit that applies to Tesla vehicles of $7,500 gets passed, Tesla then jacks the price to $87,500 (or $92,500). .

No test drives’til early 2022?! 😳 Seems excessive (and unlikely). .

Was very curious about this myself. Are 2021 Model S LRs FINALLY hitting the Tesla showrooms, available for test drives? Inquiring minds want to know. I don’t buy no yoke without driving it first to see how it is. 🚗 .

Yup. And I’m amazed that it hasn’t really hit the stock price yet. After all, this goes to Tesla’s core competency (or lack thereof)... production of EVs. And high-margin, low-volume ones yet. So, can they or can’t they? This does not inspire confidence. 😟 .

That is... unfortunate. 😢 .

Tesla definitely needs better communication, however they achieve it. .

I’m definitely in the camp that would either go with the 19s, take the aero caps off, and powdercoat them grey; or buy some nice 20s aftermarket. It kinda sucks that Tesla doesn’t offer a 20” option, as that seems to be the ‘sweet spot’ for the MS. Some competing makes (like Porsche) have no...

Well, Tesla’s production woes sure are making it hard to love Tesla. And I feel like I could say that in almost any year of the past several, and it’d still be just as true. :( Was all hot to test-drive and order a Model S LR early this year, and then, just... no. Production issues, delays, and...

To be fair, they first cut the price by $10K to clear out the last of the old Model S Ravens. The later $10K price increase just brought the MS back to par, so to speak. Though, given the large amount of incoming competition, an eventual small long-term price cut for the MS starts to make sense. .

btw a thank you to everyone who’s participated in the poll .

Yoke me up. :cool: ..

Lucid has apparently delayed its first deliveries to ‘2nd half of 2021’. :( I wish them well, but as Tesla and so many other EV makers have found... this stuff ain’t easy. .

Was that before or after the Model S ate into Porsche’s market share? Seems like Panamera sales dropped once the MS started becoming a thing. ;) .

What’s a Taycan? :D

You’re gonna hate me, but... I like medium cars too. It’s more the particulars of each individual car model that decide it for me. If the 3 had as good a driving position/comfort as the S, and as good exterior styling, then I’d happily go with the 3 (and save myself significant money!). :cool...

Actually I love the Miata, and have been considering it as a second car. :cool: .

I’ve test-driven the 3 and the S. I’ll take the S... better driving position, more comfortable. Also better exterior styling, IMO. That said, the ppl saying the S is too big ain’t wrong. I wish the S refresh had been like the Cybertruck design revision... “3% smaller”, according to Elon. Of...

Eh, I’m sure the dimensions will be repeatable by Tesla... ONCE they settle on them. I’m just wondering what the hold-up is in determining and releasing them. Are they still changing significant stuff at this very late date? I regret to say... wouldn’t be at all surprised if they were. Which...

Is it weird we still don’t have exact dimensions on the S refresh yet? :oops: I mean what, they still figuring this out? .

Great points. But for home charging, it goes even beyond that, in terms of limitations. There’s something known as a rectifier, which basically converts the grid’s AC power to the DC power your car’s battery can actually accept. At a supercharger station, the rectifier is built into the...

Caught the QuantumScape CEO on Bloomberg today... they’re in the vanguard of solid-state battery development, and in fact just announced a major breakthrough earlier this week. When asked about timelines, he said he expected SS batteries based on their technology to start showing up in EVs in...

I’m starting to lean towards Cream... that White is spectacular, but also so bright that I could see it being distracting, especially in very sunny conditions.

+1. Would’ve thought All Black would win by a country mile, but looks like it’s not quite as popular as it used to be. .

Yeah guys, sorry I didn’t include the CF interiors in the poll, but I figured, 1) that’d just confuse things 2) the wood and CF interiors are the same apart from the trim 3) and given the price points, a lot more ppl will be buying the LR and its wood decor than the Plaid/Plaid+ and the CF...

For me, it’s VERY close between the White and the Cream... like ‘em both a lot. Not into the All Black, though. Too dark, like you’re sitting in a cave. Dig most of the interior details, except that odd chrome trim around the center console. Looks plastic/cheap. :( Otherwise, pretty nice.

For those saying 'Eh, they all kinda suck', what would you rather see in their place? .

Or, here they are: All Black White and Black Cream

I know the yoke's getting all the attention, but the interior as a whole does have a new look. Which color/decor scheme do you think is the best and/or best complements it? :cool: You can view the options here: Design Your Model S | Tesla .

Interesting to see the poll results and discussion 3 years later... AFTER Tesla finally did a major refresh on the S. :cool: .

Exactly the opposite of my experience. Where I am, I’d say a good 60-70% of base Model 3 wheels have the caps removed. Maybe more (I’m being conservative). As you say, the rims underneath look *much* better. .

Now that’s hilarious. ;) .

Does lend credence to the idea that the Plaid+ requires use of the upcoming 4680 cells to hit its specs. Also means no Roadster, Semi, or Tri-motor Cybertruck ‘til early 2022, since they probably all need 4680 too? :oops: .

It’s Scotty Kilmer. :rolleyes: He’s entertaining, but overhypes everything, is a Toyota fanboy one second, then says they’re ‘done’, is a hydrogen fanboy the next second, then switches over to solid-state batteries. Tomorrow, it’ll be something else. I dunno if he’s desperate for YouTube views...

Reduced credit available for individuals up to $40K in income, and couples up to $70K. Still kinda too low, agreed, even for purchasing used vehicles (which is what it applies to). .

Interesting rant... but of course, you cut out the paragraph in my post where I also said that I thought the income limits were too low. ‘Cuz I guess that would’ve gotten in the way of your rant? Sigh. :rolleyes: Finally, the tax credit is for USED vehicles, which are inherently less...

Great that they’re working on this, but I blow through the income cap by... well, a lot. I’m sure plenty of ppl here are in the same boat. Not that I’m complaining, anyone with half a mind would rather have high income than a tax credit. One of the main (and disingenuous) ways that EVs have...

Toyota’s finally throwing in the towel (to some extent), will launch two BEV models in the USA soon: :) Toyota announces 2 electric cars coming to the US this year - Electrek .

AND will allow the driver to simulate the experience of smoking cannabis with Joe Rogan. :D (Wait, what?) .

Ditto. Especially how the interior looks and feels while sitting in it. .

Sorry, but LT pretending to not understand me doesn’t qualify as me being ‘confused’. Nice try, though. Link? Vid clip? What’s Elon referring to specifically, top speed? If so, we already know that part, Roadster’s spec’d with a 250 mph top speed... which is 100% totally unusable in regular...

That’s not a nice thing to wish on someone... Bolts have literally been catching fire. :eek: Chevy Bolt batteries were catching fire, and now there’s a class action lawsuit .

Y’know, if this yoke thing really takes off (which I think it will), *just wait* ‘til it comes to the Model 3 and Y on a future refresh. THAT’S when you’ll REALLY hear the screaming from the ppl who don’t like it... it’ll be louder by a factor of 10, at least. o_O .

Gosh, you sure seem to be confused easily. First you thought we were talking about luggage, now you’re not even sure which Roadster is being discussed. If this keeps up, you really should see someone about that. Just sayin’. :oops: All kidding aside though, I don’t think I’m being too...

That part I don’t know. Guess we’ll find out once they start shipping out in March. A lot of details seem to be unknowns still. Right now, I can’t even find exact dimensions for the new MS, just the weight. :( .

Acceleration. But you knew that. :) .

Sigh. If only Tesla had an option for 20” grey Arachnids on the MS... :( .

Yeah, but it definitely puts a dent in the ‘supercar’ glow around the Roadster that it’s gonna get outperformed by a 4-door family sedan. :oops: Btw, I’m sure the Roadster WILL come out, it’s just on ‘Elon Time’, aka slower than initially promised. But, I never bet against Elon *eventually*...

Get a used S, so long as it has MCU2? That should hold its value well, at least until solid-state batteries hit the market in quantity (and w/out issues). .

Ehh... it has one or two good moments, but overall plays like a cliche of what a climate-denying Republican thinks Tesla owners are like, lol. :rolleyes: For example, ‘virtue-signaling’ is mostly BS, really. I’ll buy a Tesla ‘cuz it’s cool, fast, and because I ‘get’ that climate change is...

A nice battle of slogans/ideologies is going on, as per some of Lucid’s recent (trolling) tweets: Lucid: “Take the wheel!” Tesla: “Think outside the circle.” .