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  1. K

    Supercharger - Salamanca, NY

    I'm very excited about this. Coming down from Toronto, charging in/around Olean (family from Bolivar) is a bit of a challenge. Being able to charge in Salamanca might make life much, much easier if I decide not to install a 240v outlet at my mom's.
  2. K

    Ontario EVIP rebates update

    Only three more months to wait, for me...
  3. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    I'm under the impression that they are averaging about six months from when the forms were submitted. I don't love the interest I'm paying on the car while I wait for the rebate, but I expect the rebate to be made sometime in March.
  4. K

    Supercharger hole - Olean, Ellicottville, or Salamanca?

    Not sure what the forum etiquette is on thread necro, but... I'm from Western NY myself, and I think it's cool that there are users on here who know the area. I grew up east of Olean and went to community college there before going to Fredonia for my undergrad. In relevant news that would...
  5. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Just wanted to say, again, that I appreciate everyone's willingness to fight for the rebate. For those of us who got the car, I'm glad that the rebate is available to us. I'm curious as to who ordered RWD's before July 11 and didn't get delivery in time - props to Tesla for busting their butts...
  6. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    I'm getting my '14 Civic detailed in preparation for sale. Talked to the guy doing it, he was super excited about my Tesla. So, I brought it in tonight so he could check it out. He was all-out giddy about the car. It's really cool when people are enthusiastic about it -- it really is a gorgeous...
  7. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    I'm afraid that if you haven't heard anything at this point, expect the worst.
  8. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    I truly hope everyone gets their deliveries. The province kind of put Tesla under a barrel - I suppose I can understand their not wanting to ship more cars before they were sure that everyone who ordered was actually going to buy them, but I really hope they can pull this off for everyone who...
  9. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    I picked up my RWD Model 3 yesterday. First family drive was this morning -- my four year old wants to go on an "adventure drive" into the Don Valley later today. So far, it's a big hit!
  10. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Ok - ok - I unblocked our friend. I'm sure he will come along sooner or later to admit he was mistaken. Right? Adaptabl? Am I right?
  11. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    I was just about to share that info. So, congrats everyone - we did it!
  12. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    I would think not. Taking delivery before clarification is issued is the big gamble, but I feel that waiting for the province to communicate is even more stressful, since they could say "ok, we're cancelling the program today, but all Teslas delivered between July 11 and today are eligible."...
  13. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Yeah, chin up. No matter what, we're approaching the end.
  14. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Yeah, they have to be cautious. My opinions are based on the logic of what's most reasonable -- which means it probably won't happen that way.
  15. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    The best part was giving the Chevy guy a fake number so he couldn’t call me back...
  16. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    One last thing for now - I also contacted Justice Myer's office to see if someone there can give me clarification on his ruling. Fingers crossed that I'll hear back.
  17. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Ok - I decided to do some calling myself. I called three dealerships - Ford, Chevy, and Mitsubishi. I'm under the impression at this point that they are all getting low on stock (so, mission accomplished) but both the Ford and Mitsubishi dealers I spoke with told me that I could still get the...
  18. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    I'm hopeful that someone here will call a dealership that was offering the rebate and inquire as to whether or not they are still making that offer. If other dealerships are still "open for business," then that implies they've been communicated something from the province regarding the status of...
  19. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    I was contacted by a delivery specialist about a week ago. He's been very cool about holding off on confirming that I'm buying the car until the lawsuit issue gets handled. I told him I would like to "tentatively" schedule a delivery and he has done so. Here's to hoping that Buck A Beer Premier...
  20. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Well. I have a VIN and a delivery date for Wednesday, September 5th.
  21. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    I messaged the Ministry of Transportation on Twitter and was told, "we are reviewing the decision and have no further comment at this time." I sincerely hope we hear something from them by Friday at the very latest.
  22. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    It's a little more complex than that. They can't legally exclude Tesla from the rebate at this point unless they also exclude a number of other models. Doing so would get them sued by the traditional auto makers they have been trying to support. I don't believe they'll cancel it earlier than...
  23. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Just wanted to throw this out there -- if my reading of the verdict is correct, then there was never a rebate cancellation or "transition program." That means that the rebate is available right now as it was on July 10th, the day before they cancelled. The province has no legal obligation to...
  24. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Are you blaming the people trying to communicate for Tesla’s lack of communication?
  25. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Well, between you and my wife, I'm glad at least one of you appreciates the effort! It hasn't been an ideal couple of months to be sure, though I feel it was for a good cause. As I put it to my MPP after the decision was announced, this fight has been over relatively small stuff. Premier Ford...
  26. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Read it again: If the government wants to transition out of the electric car subsidy program, the Minister must exercise his operational discretion in a lawful manner. He has yet to do so. I therefore quash and set aside the Minister’s unlawful exercises of discretion to implement the transition...
  27. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    I did keep my reservation, and I've been told to expect delivery at the start of next week. While I am, at this point, nearly certain that we will receive the rebate based on the lawsuit, until some information is released confirming it, I'd say that my wife is still undecided on how she wants...
  28. K

    Tesla Sues Ontario Government

    In this case, it is not in the government's interest to fight the decision. Here's why: * fighting the decision puts the entire transition in legal limbo. While this hurts Tesla, it also would hurt the big business auto industry car dealerships that they were trying to help out by cutting Tesla...
  29. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Yeah, my most optimistic reading of this is that the rebate is in full effect right now. Someone should call the ministry to confirm this information, although I have no doubt that literally nobody knows what’s happening right now.
  30. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Look, for what it’s worth, I basically spent my summer vacation fighting for this rebate. I actively engaged on social media with the province and PC apologists on a daily basis. I reached out to every ministry I could contact. I collected and sent a considerable amount of information to the...
  31. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Allow me to summarize what he wrote: First: Tesla asked him to rewrite the transition plan to include Tesla customers. He is not willing to do that. Per the previous 16 pages, he explained why: it is beyond the scope of the judiciary to interfere in such a way. He cannot dictate policy...
  32. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Basically, per my reading of the judge's ruling, he was saying that he's not prepared to throw aside a government policy decision... but the actual transition plan itself was unfair, so he swept that aside instead. He has ordered the province to come up with a fair transition in its place. I...
  33. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Dual motor has never been a part of the rebate, and I would have no expectations that it will be now.
  34. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    They are going to have to rush their response - not because of any fidelity to Tesla, but because right now all traditional dealerships (who they were trying to help out with their policy cancellation) are going to be uncertain as to how to proceed between now and September 10. They are going to...
  35. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Per the lawsuit, there are approximately 315 Tesla customers who are expecting delivery of their car in time to benefit from the rebate. That works out to about 5.5 million, out of 1.4 billion collected through Cap and Trade. The province can afford that.
  36. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    They could, but it would impact other makers/dealerships. They probably don't want to do that, because folks here have suggested that they gave dealerships advance knowledge of the cancellation, allowing them to fully stock up on EVs to take advantage of the rebate through September 10. If they...
  37. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    I was informed directly by the court, and I also emailed a journalist who interviewed me for Canada Press a few weeks ago. Both confirmed that Tesla won a decision. I have no idea why this isn’t in the news yet - perhaps it’s a lot of information to dissect.
  38. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    I have certain individuals blocked. This place would be even better if more people totally ignored trolls.
  39. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Ok - here’s what I know: A ruling was in favour of Tesla. The province will be directly compensating Tesla to the tune of $150,000. I presume that is for court costs (ie, hiring of lawyers). The briefing as it was read to me did NOT include information on whether or not Tesla customers will be...
  40. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Nope, sadly I can’t.
  41. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    The woman wouldn't tell me over the phone what the decision was, but said that I could obtain that information at the court house. She also said that information was released to the press, which means we should hear something.
  42. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    I just called - a decision was released today to the press, so we should see something soon.
  43. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Sure would be nice to find out if the court is going to hear the case...
  44. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Tesla offered you a full refund when they didn’t have to. It’s a bitter consolation prize, but it doesn’t get better than that.
  45. K

    Tesla Sues Ontario Government

    I don't know the law well enough to make a judgment. The big point made by the government is that it was a "cabinet level decision." I know that eliminates the Ombudsman as an option - I don't know if that prevents companies like Tesla from suing for unfair practices. I am hopeful we will find...
  46. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    BTW - if the case is thrown out, or Tesla loses, I'll be cancelling my order. Not even sure if the short-range version, which is due out early next year, makes sense based on my math, unless the Federal Government offers a rebate.
  47. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    In my opinion, IF it doesn't get tossed, Tesla has a good case. I'm sure you're sick of reading this, but the point I've made all along is that Tesla was undoubtedly treated unfairly, but not necessarily illegally. One thing for sure -- and I've emailed the Ombudsman as soon as I read the...
  48. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    How to block someone on this forum: Step 1: At the top of the webpage, click on the icon that represents your user profile. (Because I don't use an image at this point for my icon, mine looks like a white silhouette on a grey background) Step 2: Select "Preferences." This will take you to a...
  49. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    Basically what happened is that, on or around June 24, Tesla opened up ordering to pretty much everyone, which pushed the delivery window from 4-8 weeks to 3-5 months. You and I got caught in the change. On one hand, it sucks that that happened - I really wanted my car by now. On the other hand...
  50. K

    Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

    My feeling all along is that the PCs know they don’t have a leg to stand on, so, they’ve been dragging their feet in responding to inquiries from Tesla, the Ombudsman, etc.. The PCs know that, if they drag this on for as long as possible, a) anyone who might not be able to afford the car will...