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    Tesla launches Model 3 Highland refresh in North America - No Performance model listed as of 01.10.2024

    EDIT: I see it now, it's at the top of the page, but not listed in the price breakdown. So the current lease terms aren't all that great.
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    Tesla launches Model 3 Highland refresh in North America - No Performance model listed as of 01.10.2024

    I don't see the $7,500 credit with lease (TX). The LR is showing $583/mo @ 36 months with 0 down, before taxes and fees. EDIT: I see it now, listed at the top of the page saying it's already applied to the monthly payment. It's just not listed in the price breakdown. Which means these lease...
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    Price increase

    Yep, as others have said this is a very common tactic Tesla has done for a very long time. They keep lowering the price and then they will raise it just a bit to "trigger" people to buy before it raises again. If it works the price keeps trending up. If not it will go back down. Personally, I...
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    What's your next EV after Tesla?

    Yep, per the IRS website, the 2022 i4 would be eligible for the full $7500 tax credit. A great bonus for sure.
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    What's your next EV after Tesla?

    BMW i4 M50. It would likely meet or exceed any requirements that I want and need from a performance electric vehicle. And would address many deficiencies with Tesla. Good build quality, solid materials, ride quality, technology, features, customer service, comparable real-world range, etc. About...
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    No Complaints

    The whole point of a forum is to use it as one of many data points in making your informed decision. Yes, lots of folks go to forums to vent and complain. But you also can't dismiss widespread issues either. Focusing on just the good or bad is not productive. You should leverage multiple...
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    Deciding on Touch Up or PPF

    From a monetary perspective, which is the only kind of investment I care about, it's a waste of money. ;) You'll never get even a fraction of that expenditure back in resale. Most dealers will spend a few bucks to touch up any rock chips and put it up for sale. Which is what I'd recommend doing...
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    Model Y now unaffordable for most of us

    When we got our MYLR, at about $8k less than it is today, I felt it was a decent value considering what you get. Although Tesla Vision has me seriously reconsidering that, at their current prices, I don't see buying another one anytime soon, as I was originally planning. For me, it's not just...
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    “Dumb” cruise control?

    The whole vision-only system is a problem. Phantom braking combined with countless other "false alerts" via emergency braking due to parked cars is getting old very fast. No other vehicle we've owned has experienced such impactful issues. Nor would it be acceptable, at any price point. And we've...
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    Shopping for an ICE for my wife...

    I like EVs as much as the next person, but I think folks dismissing ICE so easily haven't driven a comparable vehicle in a long time. Even staying in the same price range as a Model Y, for example, you can buy a wide range of ICE vehicles that often offer considerably "more" than the EV. Mostly...
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    Shopping for an ICE for my wife...

    Yeah, there are many very good reasons to have an ICE and an EV. We like our Model Y LR, but only Tesla/EV in the garage? It's not there yet. There is a lot a comparably priced ICE is going to offer. Faster and easier "refuel" on trips, hauling things, physical buttons, no Tesla quirks, luxury...
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    Picture of your Model Y - Right Now!

    Just took delivery last week, tinted today with 30% sides/rear and 80% on the windshield. Wife has been enjoying the car.
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    To take or not to take delivery...

    A few sales reps have suggested that I didn't actually lose my place in line when I took the vehicle off hold. Others have said it puts you at the back of the queue. I do agree, I also suspect a big part of this mess is all of the holds from customers waiting out the tax bill. Combined with...
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    To take or not to take delivery...

    Similar situation. $8k less than selling for now, would likely be a wash if/when the BBB passes. But not too worried about it, I'd probably buy another qualifying EV in 2022. In either case, apparently I had been assigned a VIN months ago when I put the order on hold for 90 days. That time...
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    Toll pass mount on windscreem

    If you want to stick anything to the windshield that won't fall off, I'd suggest something like this 3M double-sided tape. It's super sticky and never had an issue, even in the TX heat. The only slight negative is that it can be a pain to remove. ;)
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    Model Y Range LR Vs Performance

    I've historically always opted for the top trim and best performance possible. But after driving both the LR and P, I just couldn't justify the extra $8-$10k increase. This is always a big factor for me in that I have to feel it's "worth" the price, as I was already crossing shopping vehicles...
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    2nd Thoughts On Color

    I've been leaning toward white because it looks great, it's the cheapest, and will usually have slightly better resale. The negatives are that it'll show rock chips much easier. And the vast majority of Teslas on the road are white. You see them everywhere. Between blue and red, I'd lean...
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    Fit and finish issues

    Tesla issues are about the lack of quality control. One car may look fine and another is absolutely horrible. They are focused on sales numbers because that is what will keep the shareholders happy and stock prices high. If you care about build quality, it's a roll of the dice. Looking at other...
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    Customer service appears to be broken

    I just drove the 2020 Model S today and I would have to agree. It's actually a pretty solid vehicle and of far better quality than the Model 3/Y. Still, more wind/road noise than I'd like, fit and finish needs work, etc. So yeah, it's nowhere near the level of the Audi E-Tron. I would say the...
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    Customer service appears to be broken

    Don't forget, there are indeed other EV options if you don't want to jump back to ICE. On the cheaper side, you've got Kia, Nissan, and Chevy. On the higher end, Audi and Jaguar are options. You can buy them today with virtually none of the negatives of Tesla. And in many cases, for a lot less...
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    Quality not so bad

    I recently visited the local Tesla Showroom, where they have several models in the parking garage. Just a normal walk around each vehicle and I could easily find at least a couple of defects on every one of them. Panel alignments, paint defects, loose trim, etc. On the test drive, wind and road...
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    Model Y price reduction

    Yeah, with no manufacture rebates, hidden holdbacks, or dealer discounts, these kinds of price changes with Tesla are to be expected. And it's hardly a new occurrence. Although with a $10k difference between LR and Perf, I can see more folks opting for the LR Model Y. It's still probably...
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    918 miles and it happened.... M3P tire /wheel destroyed

    What was the tire pressure when this occurred vs recommended? And when was the last time it was checked, cold, with a gauge? How often is it checked? In addition to less side-wall, low profile tires will have less air volume and need to be checked more frequently. I see this often due to...
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    It puzzles me why Tesla cannot get quality control right?

    If Tesla wanted to, they could improve quality. But where is the incentive? People are still lining up to buy them. Although, I suspect a big reason is that today, Tesla is simply building future RoboTaxis. Buyers are helping that FSD future by providing free data for the AI/machine learning and...
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    Tesla is making improvements to Fremont factory — increasing Model Y production capacity

    While this is technically true, that old counterpoint doesn't carry much weight when there are so many reported issues relative to how few are out in the wild. Even YouTube reviewers showing off their Model Y's seem to have a wide range of quality control issues. Tesla was showing signs of...
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    Tesla is making improvements to Fremont factory — increasing Model Y production capacity

    I just hope there is quality control related improvements as well. The number of reported defects so far has been very disappointing.
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    Fit and finish issues

    Personally, I don't mind issues, if they are fixed! Yes, many cars have defects. But dealers will go through a pre-delivery inspection process to fix most issues before you drive off the lot. And if there are issues after delivery, you usually have a responsive service department ready to...
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    Fit and finish issues

    You'd think they'd have learned from the Model 3 mistakes over the past few years so they wouldn't be repeated on the Y. Apparently they are more focused on volume versus quality control. Combined with the dysfunctional service department and you've got problems. Same old Tesla...
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    Worth it to upgrade from LR RWD to P3D?

    Everybody thinks they want a performance model because it's so much fun on the test drive. But outside of impressing friends who have never driven a Tesla, the majority of the time will be spent in cruise control or AP. And if you have the performance upgrades, expect less range, rougher ride...
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    Performance Waiting Room

    As promised, I wanted to provide a quick follow up to my previous post. Long story short, I decided to refuse the delivery of my Tesla. Even though the vehicle was already at the service center, it still took over a week from making payment to get a confirmed delivery date. And multiple phone...
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    Deal of the century or bad decision?

    I'd say it's a fair deal to purchase if that's the configuration you were going to buy anyways. If you wanted a cheaper color, blank interior, no FSD, you could buy a brand new performance Model 3 for not much more. And Tesla lease terms aren't great. I'd try to make a purchase happen.
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    Performance Waiting Room

    I don't mind waiting. I do, however, have a problem with the lack of communication and organization. And if they do communicate, it's often incorrect or unhelpful. It seems nobody knows what they're doing and are at the mercy or processes they don't understand and are in themselves ridiculously...
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    Ownership Experience for somebody who's never driven one

    If you're coming from a luxury vehicle now or are comparing to similar cars at the top end of the Model 3's price point, it's important to note that you will have different expectations than some. In particular, those who are coming from much older and cheaper cars. First impressions from when...
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    Model 3 New Pricing, up $400

    And not like they're having trouble selling them. Inventory has been pretty limited and doesn't last long.
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    Owner experience regarding interior noises?

    As I understand, that will only reboot the display. The brake pedal is needed to reboot the rest of the car and its electronics.
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    Trade In Process

    Hmm, never used them before, but may have to see what they'll offer. Just gotta do the math comparing their purchase offer vs tax savings. Most states only charge sales tax on the net purchase cost (new car value less trade in). Which can be quite a bit if the trade is worth a lot.
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    Trade In Process

    Yes, you can get an appraisal before placing your order. Just make sure you have an account created with your info updated. Then call Tesla sales directly. They will request some basic info and forward to their Remarketing department. Then within 24-48 hours, they should provide you an...
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    Owner experience regarding interior noises?

    Hold down brake pedal while pressing both scroll wheels on the steering wheel. It's like turning your phone off/on again. Can resolve a lot of problems.
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    Interior rattles

    That's seriously not acceptable. I'd see if you can escalate directly to Tesla. Hopefully, they documented the issue so you have a record of the service center stating they "recreated your issue but can't fix it."
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    Reducing noise and keeping the door sills clean

    Since my last post, I've since driven two Model 3's to see what the noise is like for myself. I know a lot of folks explain increased road and wind noises due to lack of drivetrain sounds. Which I suppose depends on what you are comparing to. I personally own and have driven many modern...
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    Owner experience regarding interior noises?

    Most modern ICE vehicles have very little noises from the drive train while cruising. In particular in the luxury segment. Model 3 clearly has a wind and road noise issue. Although for any noises in general, please do take your vehicle into a service center. Regardless of whether or not it's...
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    M3 Inventory cars now on Tesla site.

    And for some reason it limits search within 200 miles. So it shows nothing here. Sales rep was seeing more in nearby cities, but are outside 200 miles. New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla
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    Owner experience regarding interior noises?

    I test drove two 2019 model 3s and they both seem to have various little creaks, rattles, and pops. The center console has a bit of cheap plastic, which seems to be an obvious offender. The rest of the noises seem to be around the doors, dash, and back seats. Hitting bumps or chassis flex is...
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    Reducing noise and keeping the door sills clean

    I'm sure it goes without saying that this should not be required for any new car, let alone one at this price point. But I suppose the real question would be, what is Tesla's official response? And is the level of noise folks are hearing considered "normal?" I'm wondering if it's just a larger...