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Ah. Got it. Sorry, I don't have a clear idea. I don't follow the latest model differences closely.

I don't know where you got 2% and 7% numbers. If this is anecdotal evidence from different people on the forum I wouldn't put much weight on those numbers. Most of the difference is coming from different energy losses translated to rotational friction in the side walls of lower and higher...

Had to navigate around shortages and delays. Wanted Tesla specific Ohm (TSW) wheels but it sounded like TSW was acquired and they no longer available. Went with T Sport line. Michelin Pilot Alpine tires were sold out in R18 so I had to go with Pirelli tires. Such times.

Hello! I have worn a set of winter tires in 2 1/2 winters and would like to get input from the community on the new ones. First a report. I am a skier in Seattle area and drive my 2018 M3P to ski resorts in Seattle area and also to British Columbia, Canada many times a year. I wanted a balance...

Just an FYI: any suspension modification may result in Tesla not covering warranty repairs of seemingly unrelated suspension components. I took my 2018 M3P to repair/replace wheel bearing (that developed a typical failing sound as I was told) and the manager told me that this can't be covered...

I have EAP with HW2.5. Do you know if it is worth upgrading to HW3 for $1500. Will the existing EAP functions work better with the new hardware? By better I don't just mean better visualizations.

So, what story are you going to tell tomorrow? You got another BMW? Or you ordered your car from your phone and they delivered it to your house in a week or two? ;-) I am one valuing driving experience and being able to drive the way I want without attracting attention. I got a grey Model 3...

When I was looking there where Mountain Pass Performance and Unplugged Performance. I went with Mountain Pass Performance sport coilovers. You should do your research given that there's are a few more companies that supply suspensions for Model 3 now. There are quite a few threads on this forum...

If so, I concur with one of the comments above: get an AWD and invest into tires and an aftermarket suspension upgrade. The handling will be better than P. Depending on what you are used to and what good handling means for you, you may want to look at a comfort or sport aftermarket suspension...

RE: "using low/chill is mandatory in winter": not mandatory but I imagine there's a good percentage of drivers that would feel safer driving on the snow and ice with low regen. I was giving a spirited driver POV. I'll be very sorry to loose low regen. My Model 3P was never a perfect car on the...

I think you were getting to the right point - Chill Mode and Low Regen just remap your foot sensitivity to be able to modulate the accelerator pedal. I see a few people agree with you in this thread that this these modes are not needed for real winter driving. However, my experience is...

For a period of a few months I heard loud creaking when steering while stationary and then it went away. I thought it might be the flimsy thin plastic shims at the top of MPP Sport springs not working but it may have started right before I put them, I can't trust my memory after months passed...

Pardon my naive question: what are the signs of the upper control arms failing?

You take AWD (or P-) - it matches predicted range in reasonable situations, take P+ - it doesn't, by 20-30%. Yes, there are reasons, but they don't improve experience of new owners. The rather not cheap car turns out to not be as usable as many counted it to be. I still have some frustration...

When I run winter tires it does not get better. Michelin PA4 - performance winter tires - are closer to all seasons than to proper winters. They don't give me better range. And I have tried 45 PSI and it does not help my M3P in any significant way to get closer to AWD range either. 20" wheels...

(not in UK, in US) Model 3 Performance with 20" wheels is very different from AWD in terms of range even though the advertised range is close (it was exactly the same when I bought my M3P). It is sad that Tesla does not advertise the truth for M3P. Under ideal conditions I count 20% less range...

I got M3P at the end of 2018. Paid 70K with EAP (+tax-7.5Krebate) which was way more than my previous reasonably priced fun-to-drive cars (under $40K). It was a conscious decision and I don't regret it except that Tesla screwed up my cost of ownership calculations by lowering the price of P...

The darker "ruts" were not sticky dry. It was _almost_ to the asphalt with snow patches. In fact, the -10F compacted snow around had good traction and was my safety in case the car starts rotating but I never had a problem. The road was nearly empty, though, so, given my risk tolerance, my speed...

I was a bit critical to Model 3's AWD my first 2018-19 winter. Sometimes the car would find amazing traction and best other similar weight/size cars. However, sometimes I was not confident driving uphill on compacted snow the same speed as other cars around me, and that never happened to me as I...

I'd guess 230 miles could be problematic on the colder and snowier end of Missouri weather if you don't have opportunities to charge. You might be able to make it driving conservatively but it will not be relaxing. If you have opportunities to charge on the way it may make sense, though. My...

I'd be glad to get FSD to help Tesla train their neural networks, artificial or not. But pay for that privilege? I feel Tesla owes me for EAP: when I bought it in 11/2018, it didn't have the phantom braking problem and was not abandoning lane changes, and then it got worse and has been worse...

It is not only comfort level. Roads and driving conditions matter. When highways are open and there no triggers for things such as fantom braking and following "wrong lane", or when there's stop-n-go traffic, autopilot helps. In my daily driving I am mostly in between. Then some people are OK to...

You do sound like I should applaud you for training autopilot. Unless it is stop and go traffic, or there's an open highway where I can see road debree and potholes from afar and consider a car changing lanes into me a very low probability event, I am on guard beyond what autopilot can react to...

I sincerely applaud the brave souls that finance the autonomous future and risk their lives to train the neural nets. Bravo! No sarcasm.

None of your choices will feel really luxury after owning a proper luxury car. They will feel stylish and modern, and model 3 more so. If you really value good handling, go for Model 3 and modify the suspension, put some good aftermarket sport coilovers. It will handle well and will be able to...

When I got my Model 3 in November 2018 with EAP, the car on autopilot followed other cars perfectly with no phantom breaking, and never aborted a lane change. I recall it changed in a couple of months when they tried to recognize stationary objects on the road. And then constant embarrassing...

+1, I did MPP sports and don't feel the need in sway bars. I set both compression and rebound at 10, a bit towards the stiffer side from the recommended setting for street. Feels great in all normal spirited driving situations; a bit softish at higher speeds but reasonable balance.

I count 40% in winter, 60% in Summer if not too spirited. I don't track my cars. Most of my fun driving has been to and from places I go hike or ski or wine taste. Memories from those trips inspired me to buy fun to drive cars. While my Model 3 Performance is most fun overall, and practical...

To me, it is a wrong question. If I could ask for at least $3K out of $5K I paid for EAP back I would. Since November 2018 the two main features I paid the money for - TACC and lane change change without turning AP off - became less usable, almost unusable, in my everyday driving due to phantom...

I drove my Model 3 Performance between Seattle and Revelstoke, and to ski resorts around Seattle and drove a lot on snowy and icy roads these past two weeks. Last winter I had some complains on the traction control in winter - in places Tesla found amazing traction, in other places it was hard...

Hi Jeda, I am sorry it happened to you. I have some ideas on what kind of phone holder I want for my Model 3 and would love to share my ideas if there's a chance that it gets produced if you like it. I am very annoyed with the lack of phone integration in Tesla. I control music from my phone as...

A really awesome thread. Me? I just want to be on my way at speed I am comfortable with given the conditions and traffic. I don't want to attract strange looks like when I was driving through my neighborhood in my V8 Audi with modest 30mph. They just don't notice a grey Model 3P with just shhh...

I have my ride height at the top of the range at 145mm and the suspension feel subtly changes after a couple of weeks of use after setting the height as if the suspension settles somehow. Investigating why. Clearance measurements are tricky as I have swapped summers to winters (performance ones...

I used a reputable tuner shop to install MPP Sports. The installation process was not 100% trouble free. Nothing big but I'll report after everything is resolved. The kit felt great in terms of driving feel. I am investigating the source of changes in the feel, though. The installer now has...

Would you say a 5000lb AWD SUV with bigger diameter tires, bigger contact patch, bigger and more rubber blocks on tires will have easier time starting and keeping going on a snowy road compared to a 3500lb AWD sedan/vagon with similar kind of winter or A/S tires? Presuming the tires can't dig...

How do you compare those with Tesla's?

Are we still talking about safe driving and ability to maintain speed on a highway in snow blizzard conditions with some packed surfaces, some softer mushy snow and some snow drifts? Or did you switch to drifting on groomed courses? I would love a physics lesson on Sunday. Please do reason about...

No, summers. It is easier for me to observe and analyze traction on summers. Infrequently, but I do push my 3P to the edge of traction, more when it is wet. In winter it is harder for me to analyze what's happening to the car beyond "must be a rear bias" sort of things. Sometimes, the car...

Exactly! Back to square one that all season tires can be the most reasonable choice in winter driving conditions.

Sounds like what you are trying to say is that you think Tesla's AWD is worse than most other cars AWD in winter, and that a Tesla requires better tires for similar level of handling and safety on the snow. Yes, some people voiced this opinion, most in indirect way, though. Most of loudest...

Perhaps it is a public safety matter in some climates and some parts of the U.S. and Canada. In western Washington, Oregon, California, even people who drive to the mountains don't expect other drivers to use winter tires. I suspect same is true for most of Colorado and Utah. When I take a...

+1 to your post overall. I found it strange that someone can be shaming a Tesla owner who was happy with all season tires for 15 years for not spending money on winters. To be fair, winter tires have become better all around tires than they used to be. Plus performance winter tires feel closer...

On the other hand, on another slippery surface - gravel - which I drove on probably total of at least 30 miles this fall, I was very happy with the level of speed I could maintain and how controllable the Tesla was. Compared well to my distant memory of how my Audi S4 handled on similar surface...

I think the questions to discuss are: - how controllable (with brakes/regen/accelerator) the car is when it looses traction, and - how fast the car looses traction compared to other similarly priced or cheaper cars in the same class with similar tires in similar situation. Saying that this is...

I really needed this twice in my 9 month of ownership and both times the car failed 100% of retries complaining that Bluetooth connection is interrupted. Both times the car was in a public garage. I succeeded once in the beginning moving the car forward at a ski resort to free up space to put...

This thread should obviously be mostly useful for people considering buying a new Tesla, especially performance options. And the consideration should be that the cost of ownership may end up considerably higher than one can predict and that it should be incorporated into decision making on buy...

I think many people here are still missing the point. Let me inject my point of view as it got buried in a frozen thread. I call Tesla pricing policy an inverse pyramid - it entices new buyers while alienating considerable percentage of previous ones. I've seen this happen to a few folks who...

In my thread Tesla pricing - inverse piramid that just got frozen I guessed that I can sell my car for 55% of the cash I paid for it new 8 month back. And I did try to time my purchase based on the history of price and trim changes to minimize my cost of ownership. I was hoping, based on the...

My thread at Tesla pricing - inverse piramid just got frozen but I think it adds a unique and practical angle to the problem op raised. It boils down to the fact that estimating cost of ownership at the time of purchase for Tesla is much harder, almost impossible, compared to most other brands...

I paid $80K with tax new. I hoped to recover about 40% of that in 6 years. Call it not realistic but I was on the spot or even a bit pessimistic when projecting cost of ownership of my previous cars. How much do you think I can sell my 8 month old $80K car for right now? 55%? Am I on track to...