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    Optimizing NEM2.0 for PG&E EV2-A rate

    I'm also trying to learn how to adjust the buy/sell rates as well as time for off peak, partial peak and peak to maximize savings/earnings while also balancing charging EV vehicles and keeping powerwalls to a certain percentage. Sometimes the buy/sell rates just seem to confuse the user and...
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    Conditional PG&E PTO and inverter downsizing

    Thanks for the advice. The door does have an unpowered vent on the bottom half if that's what you're referring to? Pressure relief valve is actually outside of the closet. There's also this board separating the panel and the gas meter - maybe PG&E thought that was enough to separate the gas...
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    Conditional PG&E PTO and inverter downsizing

    Yea, I'm somewhat worried about the enclosure. I'll probably buy a natural gas detector from amazon and check myself periodically just for a piece of mind. Also might end up going crazy and checking every connection around the house as well as routine maintenance.
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    Conditional PG&E PTO and inverter downsizing

    This stuff drives me nuts. Who decided 12" is ok for a slam shut? Who decided 36" for the gas riser clearance? Has there ever been an explosion from a gas riser being too close to a meter or electrical panel? The most memorable gas explosion was in San Bruno and that was from a 30" gas pipeline...
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    Conditional PG&E PTO and inverter downsizing

    Unfortunately even the 12" rule won't work in my case - the meter is right above the gas riser. I should technically be safe since the pressure relief valve is outside of the cabinet, though when I first moved in the house I did notice a slight smell of natural gas whenever I opened the door. I...
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    Conditional PG&E PTO and inverter downsizing

    The figure legend also says no existing electric meter / panel, including panels within closets in the footnote. They installed it to this main panel. Pic below: I would’ve been home free since PTO was usually just a formality, but now that I’m doing a transformer upgrade it seems like I’m...
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    Conditional PG&E PTO and inverter downsizing

    Yep, I've looked at the figure and read the fine print in details many times. I feel like a lawyer interpreting the code. I didn't swap like-for-like or upgrade my electrical meter or panel, which was 200A to begin with. It was originally built, inspected and approved without the proper 36"...
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    Conditional PG&E PTO and inverter downsizing

    I just got an email confirmation from PG&E that both options will keep me on NEM 2.0. Engineers still are being conservative and calculating the nameplate capacity of the inverter, rather than the CEC-AC rating. I even pointed out to public data (CaliforniaDGStats) that Tesla solar systems are...
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    Conditional PG&E PTO and inverter downsizing

    Thanks for the information. I think Tesla is incorrect and I need to confirm with PG&E which options will keep me on NEM 2.0. I definitely now have to keep an eye on Tesla to make sure they don't do anything rash such as submitting a new application. I think option 1 with conditional PTO or...
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    Conditional PG&E PTO and inverter downsizing

    Tesla said that both option 1 and option 2 will force me into NEM 3.0. I don’t believe this is the case? Tesla said that PG&E will not allow me to stay on NEM 2.0 if there is a transformer upgrade because I need to resubmit an application for both options. Right now I’m not sure if PG&E or...
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    Submitting own interconnection application for NEM 2.0 for Tesla

    Tesla ended up submitting it for me before the NEM 2.0 deadline so I never submitted my own. I asked Tesla and PG&E to see their drawings and application but they never released them to me (each pointing fingers at each other saying the other one should release it to the homeowner). When...
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    Conditional PG&E PTO and inverter downsizing

    Thanks for the advice. I guess I’ll go with the transformer upgrade and hope PG&E has mercy on my soul with the gas and main panel clearances.
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    Conditional PG&E PTO and inverter downsizing

    That’s what I saw too on my system. Sometimes I can hit 13.6kw for a brief moment if it’s cloudy which is more than the 12.6kw transformer limit, but I usually have 1-2kw draw during the day for my home. I chatted with Tesla to see if they can electronically derate the inverters but the agents...
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    Conditional PG&E PTO and inverter downsizing

    I ran into another problem with my PTO because PG&E says I need a transformer upgrade, but in the meantime I can operate up to 12.67kw. I have 13.6kw DC panels and 2x7.6 inverters so the nameplate is 15.2kw and 2x powerwalls with a gateway. The CEC-AC rating is 12.38kw, which is below their...
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    PG&E clearance updated with regards to gas

    Unfortunately my main panel is in a doghouse closet with the meter underneath separated by a board. Outside of the closet are the gas riser and the relief vent. Theoretically any excess gas pressure is vented outdoors, not inside the closet. Whether or not PGE will deny PTO is still very...
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    PG&E clearance updated with regards to gas

    I called PG&E to check the PTO status and they said I’ve been conditionally approved to export 12.6 whereas my system is rated 13.6 DC and 15.4 AC. PG&E wants Tesla to submit a new SLD, limit export and also mentioned a possible site inspection. I can’t believe how much unnecessary stress this...
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    PG&E clearance updated with regards to gas

    I'm still waiting for PTO. Interconnection application submitted on 3/16. I decided to get a copy of my final building permit by asking the city and submitted to PG&E directly through email and I think it got accepted. Tesla would not submit the final building permit to PG&E for PTO until I paid...
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    Main Panel Upgrade 17.2kW Solar + 2 powerwallplus + 1 powerwall2?

    Every panel uses different breakers so what may work for mine may not work for yours. The electrician basically said it was doable but didn't mention which one he was going to use. The ones I looked up from old spec sheets only listed 125A circuit breakers that were compatible, but maybe they...
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    Main Panel Upgrade 17.2kW Solar + 2 powerwallplus + 1 powerwall2?

    I had the exact same issue - kept asking Tesla for a 200A connection but they wouldn't do it and kept it at 125A. I asked for a load calculation and they said they didn't do one. I was arguing with Tesla back and forth and they wouldn't budge so I gave up to try to lock in NEM 2.0 (this was...
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    PG&E clearance updated with regards to gas

    Thanks @holeydonut though I may not be completely out of the woods yet. I didn't get any powerwalls through the SGIP program because I don't think Tesla offers them anymore SGIP since they ran out. On day of install, there was no PG&E technician to do a service disconnect/reconnect, only Tesla...
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    PG&E clearance updated with regards to gas

    Quick update after 6 months - installed a 13.6kw system with 2 powerwalls from Tesla. Confirmed multiple times clearance and gas riser issues with Tesla and they said it was ok. The AHJ did not want to do a courtesy preinspection as @Vines suggested. I had PG&E come out to perform a leak test in...
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    CPUC NEM 3.0 discussion

    I know how NEM 3.0 drastically reduces the export rates and makes the return on solar much longer, unless you have powerwalls. I was calculating my own system and I wonder if I'm missing some key points since it seems NEM 3.0 could actually be more advantageous? I just installed a PV solar...
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    PG&E said we had the potential to send back "too much" power ?

    How often does this happen? Is there anyway to confirm that the transformers can handle the new solar equipment? I’m installing mine in two weeks. Tesla wants full payment after city inspection but before PTO. If the transformer cost needs to be paid by the homeowner then it drastically changes...
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    Passing city inspection but not PTO? Paying Tesla after passing inspection but before PTO

    Thanks for the responses. I’m not really worried about PTO application errors and delays. I’m more worried about Tesla installing something incorrectly that is noticed by PG&E but not the city and then not fixing it, especially after I paid in full. If PTO is just a formality and everything...
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    Passing city inspection but not PTO? Paying Tesla after passing inspection but before PTO

    Hi, I finally got my city permits approved and install date scheduled with Tesla. I've read and confirmed with Tesla that the full payment needs to be paid after passing city inspection but before PG&E PTO. Are there any cases of PG&E not approving PTO after passing city inspection? I know...
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    120 percent busbar NEC rule

    Thanks for the explanation. I think I get it now that there are 3 options. It seems from the warning labels that Tesla went with option (b) from the busbar code with the plans they are submitting to the city since the warning label for option B is listed for POI point of interconnection...
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    120 percent busbar NEC rule

    14kw panels with probably 2x7.8kw inverters. 22 panels facing SW, 4 panels facing NW and then 11 panels facing NE so most likely peak generation won't be that high. Even with 22 panels facing SW, that's 8.8kw and hopefully Tesla system is advanced enough to program when to charge the battery vs...
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    120 percent busbar NEC rule

    ADU doesn't need to be backed up. We don't have power outages that often and I can live with ADU without backup power. Plus Tesla is only giving me a 125A breaker for loads to be relocated so I can't even add the 100A ADU to the backup loads. It seems like the 120% rule is just referring to...
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    120 percent busbar NEC rule

    Meter/main picture is below. I don't think I can fit any breaker greater than 125A on there since I looked up and there wasn't any breaker greater than 125A available. That's probably the reason why 125A is the maximum they're willing to put on (5) and (4). Tesla should be fine and I don't think...
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    120 percent busbar NEC rule

    Thanks for the clarifications. Hopefully the inspectors are able to figure it out and approve it rather than take the simplified interpretation and actually think about it so there will be no issue adding the 100A breaker to the main panel. As far as connection 4 - does that have to be 125A or...
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    120 percent busbar NEC rule

    Actually I think I’m misinterpreting it. I’m relocating all the circuits from the main to a separate backup panel. I should be able to add a 100A breaker to the main panel. It shouldn’t exceed the 120 percent rule since I can’t draw more than 200A from the main panel (even with the 125A to the...
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    120 percent busbar NEC rule

    I had a question regarding the 120% rule and if I have powerwalls does that make a difference? It seems that the gateway system is feeding 125A back into the main service panel, which is also receiving 200A from the main breaker. I've read that you'll need to downsize the main breaker otherwise...
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    Submitting own interconnection application for NEM 2.0 for Tesla

    I placed my order for solar panels last September with Tesla and it's been a headache going back and forth. Every question takes 2 weeks to resolve and have to wait another 2 weeks for another site assessment. Simple questions such as placing panels in front of a window (had to argue that it...
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    Main service panel connection to gateway amperage

    Is there any 150A or 175A option? I'm guessing that the line between the gateway and backup panel can only be 125A (connection 4), not 200A, if the line (connection 5) between gateway and main panel is only 125A?
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    Main service panel connection to gateway amperage

    I have a 200A main service panel. Tesla came back with this design. It appears it goes from main panel--125A--Gateway--125A--distribution panel for the house loads. They offered whole home backup and relocating all the circuits onto the distribution panel. My main appliances are induction stove...
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    Refreshed 2021+ Model X and Model X Plaid waiting room

    My EDD for the 7 seater changed and shortened to 3 weeks now. It was sep 21-oct26 --> dec3-jan28 --> sep 18-oct7. My FSD is $10k, think it's worth it at that price or drop it? Other ways to hedge against it is to put 10k into Tesla stock? If FSD does work out, the 10k in Tesla stock should...
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    Refreshed 2021+ Model X and Model X Plaid waiting room

    Seems like the production line has shifted over to 6 seaters based off of the VINs. There goes any chance of getting my 7 seater for the next 3 months. Crazy how Tesla prioritizes orders, based off of configuration, production line, location. Order date is least important.
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    Refreshed 2021+ Model X and Model X Plaid waiting room

    Same here. Yesterday it was 9/21-10/26 and I was hoping it would shorten like others since I was getting close to EDD. Wtf….I was thinking this new EDD is a placeholder but it may be true. I never got a trade in text (clicked no trade in though during the order) or financing text either. Also...
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    PG&E clearance updated with regards to gas

    I’m so scared of PGE to the point that they are essentially like the mafia to me and I have to tiptoe around them making sure everything is in line. Some inspectors do anything they can to block solar installations since they think they’ll lose money (from pension, compensation or retirement) if...
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    PG&E clearance updated with regards to gas

    Thanks. I’ll reach out to building inspectors to get their input. But ultimately everyone might still defer to PGE since they have the final say. I can’t believe Tesla will not get permits approved before starting any construction? I thought that if drawings and permits that are submitted to...
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    PG&E clearance updated with regards to gas

    The thing is I don’t want to claim ignorance before starting my project, hence why I posted in the first place. The neighbor’s Tesla solar company claimed ignorance because they installed everything and then PGE stopped them. I get that solar installers can tell you if there will be any...
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    Refreshed 2021+ Model X and Model X Plaid waiting room

    I’m checking the app everyday to see if my EDD changed. I’m almost afraid to check it because I don’t want it to be pushed back anymore. 5/7/21 order. 7 seater LR white/white. Current EDD is 8/21-10/26. Need it delivered by end of November otherwise I lose my locked in auto loan rate.
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    PG&E clearance updated with regards to gas

    She had to replace and move her main panel because the prior owner upgraded from 100a to 200a without a permit. So her situation is not exactly like mine where I already have a permitted 200a installed from the beginning. Don’t know why you have to attack the posting…just asking for advice...
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    PG&E clearance updated with regards to gas

    My guess is that if I don't touch the main panel (upgrade or replace) then PG&E might allow it. The like-for-like panel exchange seems to be less successful. There's also the 2D vs 3D interpretation of the drawing. The electric panel is over 12" behind the gas riser. Mathematically wise using...
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    PG&E clearance updated with regards to gas

    How do people make sure PGE doesn't halt the project or not allow me to turn on the solar? I have an electrical panel right above the gas riser, but it is about 20-24" in front of the electrical panel. 2D wise according to the figure it will not pass, but if you picture a 3D scenario, it's past...
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    Refreshed 2021+ Model X and Model X Plaid waiting room

    I’m not entirely sold color being a factor. I have a white exterior white interior 7 seater LR with 20” wheels. I keep getting excuses that because I have so many basic features that my build would be delayed because it’s more popular. I asked them if I was flexible on color and wheels if I...
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    Refreshed 2021+ Model X and Model X Plaid waiting room

    May 2021 7 seater. I feel the opposite, seems like 6 seaters getting theirs first. Also not sure what exactly is my holdup, white trim, white exteriors, seats, California??
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    Waiting Room: Model X 7 Seat ONLY

    EDD has not moved for me for probably months. Called them again and still with a bunch of excuses - wheel size, trim color, exterior color all factors in whether or not I will get my car. Also if you ordered base items (color, seats, wheels etc.) those are more popular so there are more...
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    Waiting Room: Model X 7 Seat ONLY

    I have a may 21 LR w/w order. Current Edd is 10/18-12/13. Unless the factory literally ran out of white paint and seats, I have no idea why other cars are getting delivered first to people who ordered after us.
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    Refreshed 2021+ Model X and Model X Plaid waiting room

    5/7/21 order for 7 seat white exterior and white interior LR. Profile completion date a year later 6/2022. I have not had movement in my EDD for months, still oct 18-dec 13. Really hoping I can get it q3 since I’m in SF, CA but doesn’t seem like it. Anyone ever get a vin without completing the...