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1 million miles battery retrofit for old models

bob_p

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Apr 5, 2012
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While Tesla has offered some hardware upgrades for vehicles (like the MCU2 upgrade), it seems unlikely Tesla will offer major upgrades (battery, motor, supercharging) to existing vehicles and instead do what the other manufacturers do - encourage customers to trade in and purchase a new vehicle with the latest technology.

After a vehicle has depreciated 3 or 4 years, it's more difficult to justify major upgrade expenses.

While it may be technically feasible to offer battery upgrades, Tesla probably won't do that.

However, if Tesla ever does allow 3rd parties to perform service on Tesla vehicles, a 3rd party could implement a battery upgrade/exchange program...
 

Hovscorpion1

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The only reason why I say that battery retrofits would be possible is because of the massive price reduction. We are going from $1,000 per/Kw to perhaps $100 or $80. The price of the battery and even the vehicle itself will be significantly cheeper than it is now.
 
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Yinn

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Nov 15, 2016
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While Tesla has offered some hardware upgrades for vehicles (like the MCU2 upgrade), it seems unlikely Tesla will offer major upgrades (battery, motor, supercharging) to existing vehicles and instead do what the other manufacturers do - encourage customers to trade in and purchase a new vehicle with the latest technology.

After a vehicle has depreciated 3 or 4 years, it's more difficult to justify major upgrade expenses.

While it may be technically feasible to offer battery upgrades, Tesla probably won't do that.

However, if Tesla ever does allow 3rd parties to perform service on Tesla vehicles, a 3rd party could implement a battery upgrade/exchange program...

There’s 3rd parties who already offer it. The question is if Tesla would end up disabling your supercharger access if you were to do it.

The only reason why I say that battery retrofits would be possible is because of the massive price reduction. We are going from $1,000 per/Kw to perhaps $100 or $80. The price of the battery and even the vehicle itself will be significantly cheeper than it is now.

That may be the case, but the logistics haven’t changed. It’s possibly cheaper to ship a car with the battery pack coast to coast ($500-$1000) than it would be to ship just the battery pack ($1000-1500 freight)

Then you have to factor - how many service centers have the forklifts to unload and move a battery pack around? That’s overhead. Then you have to recycle the old pack. Do you ship it back to the gigafactory? That’s potentially $3,000 in shipping costs alone round trip. That’s aside from the installation and time at an already overwhelmed service system.

Now let’s consider this. Trading my 75D in for a LR+ would cost me $40,000 roughly. Aside from the profit on the car itself, I’d lose free supercharging, which reduces Tesla’s cost and raises a revenue stream. I’d lose free connectivity, which reduces their cost. If I financed, Tesla would make a small commission on that loan. It also adds a car to their sales figures for the shareholders who read volume. They can now also turn around and sell my traded car for a $15,000 markup.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to upgrade. But if I was running the company, it wouldn’t be worth it to offer it. There isn’t enough money in it to deal with the potential headaches.
 

gangzoom

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May 22, 2014
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Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to upgrade. But if I was running the company, it wouldn’t be worth it to offer it. There isn’t enough money in it to deal with the potential headaches.

I agree but no other car company would have offered the CCS charging retrofit, MCU upgrade, FSD upgrades, or even something as simple as the HEPA filter retrofit.

If Tesla really want to fulfil their mission statement of 'sustainable transport' than supporting battery retrofits beyond warranty exchanges have to be an option. Otherwise the whole 'green' agreement could be argued just as a con and would back up what many believe about EVs been nothing but another gadget for the rich.
 

hpartsch

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Aug 6, 2014
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There will be a quite a bit of 2013/2014 batteries potentially failing out of warranty in the next 1+ years. The current price of ~21k for an 85 pack replacement is crazy and I've not really seen any pricing decrease since I've been monitoring the past few years. Would be nice if the cost of a pack substantially decreased or even decreased some each year...

Surprised we've not heard of more 2012's batteries going out recently on TMC.... Maybe due to the limited driving the past few months.
 

Yinn

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Nov 15, 2016
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Imagine those older batteries will find homes as storage batteries.

Even at 50% capacity they could provide great back up storage.

How is a question though. Will Tesla Energy offer a conversion kit? Or will it all be up to 3rd parties? The individuals with the knowledge to convert them safely today are more of the minority.

But I agree this is definitely the right path. A PW has 13.5kwh capacity. Even at 70% degradation, the old 40kwh pack would have 12 kWh capacity, about the same as that PW.
 

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