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The hitch could be a bolt-on accessory, rather than a factory configuration. Wiring harness for a trailer could also be a plug-in accessory. That would not be needed for a bike rack or luggage platform.
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I think you're right. Great call.This might be right, except now we know it's 2 roofs, which probably leaves you with 1 battery, unless they go with 2 interiors.
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If a certain % of the people who opt for a software limited version of the 75kWh battery later on upgraded (for a higher price), it might make it worth it.I think you're right. Great call.
Selling a 75kWh battery as a 60 probably doesn't work at the Model 3 price point. You achieve the same production efficiency by simply making one battery and selling its full capability. And this also jives with dropping the 60 from the S and X lines because the gap is reinforced. Having a 75 in the S and the 3 would blur the line between them.
They said for some time ago that there price was less then $190/kWh so 15 kWh would be less then $2850. Sure, some will probably update later on if it's possible but what if they don't? $2000 extra in production cost per car can get really mush money if you are planing to produce in the numbers that Tesla is talking about.If a certain % of the people who opt for a software limited version of the 75kWh battery later on upgraded (for a higher price), it might make it worth it.
I have no idea how much more it costs to make a 75 vs a 60, but there is some math there that might say they'd make it up on charging $1000 more for the upgrade at a later date.
Totally made up numbers here, but if their research said that 1/3 of people would upgrade at a later time, and they only need 25% of people to upgrade to break even, well, there you go.
The Compare page says coil suspension for Model 3Here is my version:
Model 3 combinations:
Roof 2
Interior 2
Battery & drive unit & smart air suspension 6
Premium upgrades package 2
Premium sound 2
2*2*6*2*2= 96
Model 3 Battery & drive unit & smart air suspension:
I have excluded paint and wheel options because I was trying to reach 1500+ for Model S (because the compare page says 1500+ combinations for the Model S) and excluding those makes the most sense because these two don't affect the hardware during the build process.
- 55 without smart air suspension
- 55D without smart air suspension
- 75 without smart air suspension
- 75D with smart air suspension
- 75D without smart air suspension
- P75D with smart air suspension
Model S combinations = 2*9*6*2*2*2*2= 1728
Roof 2
Interior 9
Battery & drive unit & smart air suspension 6
Premium upgrades package 2
Subzero weather package 2
Premium sound 2
Rear facing seats 2
Smart air suspension is selectable only in the 90 kWk battery. It is included (can't be deselected) in the 100 and not available in the 75. Therefore there are 6 battery & drive unit & smart air suspension combinations in the Model S:
Also, I'm counting 9 interior options in the Model S because the carbon fiber decor doubles every option except multi-pattern black which does not have carbon fiber decor option.
- 75 without smart air suspension
- 75D without smart air suspension
- 90D with smart air suspension
- 90D without smart air suspension
- 100D with smart air suspension
- P100D with smart air suspension
- White with carbon fiber decor
- White without carbon fiber decor
- Black with carbon fiber decor
- Black without carbon fiber decor
- Black/light with carbon fiber decor
- Black/light without carbon fiber decor
- Tan with carbon fiber decor
- Tan without carbon fiber decor
- Multi-pattern black without carbon fiber decor
It makes sense when you consider it makes the car look sportier and offers greater grip.I don't see why they would offer different size wheel options. The larger wheel just limits range on the car so it doesn't make any sense...
While I see where you're coming from, I can't wrap my head around a stereo or motor being cheaper in a 3 than in an S. They're probably similar in cost and labor to install so I don't see the reason for the discount. Taking it to the extreme, how can they justify a discount on EAP/FSD?@pkalhan, my best guess is, 80% of what it costs in the Model S. For example, the dual motor upgrade in the Model S costs $5,000. 80% of that is 0.5*5000= $4,000. I also expect that they will charge $500 per kWh for battery upgrades. In other words, if the 55 starts at $35,000, then I would expect the 75 to start at 35,000+500*(75-55)= $45,000.
Option pricing isn't based on cost or labor, it's based on what the market will support. Expensive cars have more expensive options because they can.While I see where you're coming from, I can't wrap my head around a stereo or motor being cheaper in a 3 than in an S. They're probably similar in cost and labor to install so I don't see the reason for the discount. Taking it to the extreme, how can they justify a discount on EAP/FSD?
As far as cost not pricing, it depends, if the motors are physically smaller then that's money saved in material costs. If they are easier to manufacture then that's money saved in time and labor. The same thing with power electronics. We know the inverters for the Model 3 are a brand new design requiring fewer parts and it is cheaper to build.While I see where you're coming from, I can't wrap my head around a stereo or motor being cheaper in a 3 than in an S. They're probably similar in cost and labor to install so I don't see the reason for the discount. Taking it to the extreme, how can they justify a discount on EAP/FSD?
I can't wrap my head around a stereo or motor being cheaper in a 3 than in an S.
Impossible to argue with you there and I should not have used the dual motor upgrade as an example. I assume that the motors are smaller (less material) and cheaper to manufacture so a lower cost to upgrade makes sense.The example I gave about dual motor costing less than $5,000 in the Model 3 was based on Elon's tweet here.