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1750kms in a weekend from Tilburg to Madrid

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Thanks - problem is the blue 32A is not yet available. Also fyi Dutch single phase can deliver 16A rather than 10A although Tesla has limited that option to 13A for reasons best known to Tesla - hence the decision for a dutch socket so that I can get 13A !

Sorry, my mistake - I thought I'd read that the various domestic-socket adapters for the UMC were all limited to 10A.
 
Insurance for trip home

Out of curiosity, how do you guys manage insurance when you go to pick the car up from Tilburg? In US it's simpler I guess as technically it's one country, but from Netherlands to France to Spain means I guess that you took temporary license plates. At least Estonian insurances don't give insurance to temp license plate owners, hence how would you drive home? I'm contemplating also picking my car up from Tilburg, but it'd be quite a trip and I'd prefer not to risk it without insurance...
 
There are IKEA's in Belgium too!!! :biggrin:

Like I commented on Mark's blog (http://driveandream.wordpress.com/2013/09/07/stage-one-complete-just/comment-page-1/#comment-159) there is an IKEA in Ghent, which has solar powered charging stations. It's 138km from Tilburg, so a nice and quick top-off while having the famous swedish balls in the IKEA restaurant. With that extra stop, you can fully enioy the power of the Model S (once you made it through Antwerp).

Alternatively there is another IKEA in ZAventem (near Brussels).

(seems like next to the superchargers, IKEA is going to become the seconds most important network of chargers around; good marketing and vision from the Swedes once again)
 
Out of curiosity, how do you guys manage insurance when you go to pick the car up from Tilburg?
We have insurance that covers most of europe :wink:

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There are IKEA's in Belgium too!!! :biggrin:

Thanks Rla for that tip - I need to travel from Breda to Calais and IKEA Gent would be a great stop over.
Their site says they have 2 16amp 400 volt - only issue is there is an archaeological dig until October...anyway I will definately drop by and check it out.
 
We have insurance that covers most of europe :wink:

Yes, but how do you get the insurance coverage on a car that isn't yet registered anywhere? It's just produced, but not yet in your country. If I take the insurance once the car is in Estonia the insurance is valid for all of EU too, but I can't get it before the car is registered. That was my question.
 
Yes, but how do you get the insurance coverage on a car that isn't yet registered anywhere? It's just produced, but not yet in your country. If I take the insurance once the car is in Estonia the insurance is valid for all of EU too, but I can't get it before the car is registered. That was my question.

Sorry - misunderstood - I guess you need to discuss with your local authorities and insurers - good luck and let us know what you find out.
 
Mario, from what I heard, Tesla can actually arrange the license plates and inscription for their customers. But I'm not sure if they have such arrangements for Estonia. You should really contact your DS and ask them these questions. Once the car is registered, you should have no problems getting insurance, right.

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Mario, from what I heard, Tesla can actually arrange the license plates and inscription for their customers. But I'm not sure if they have such arrangements for Estonia. You should really contact your DS and ask them these questions. Once the car is registered, you should have no problems getting insurance, right.

Tesla has no contacts for Estonia so they won't do anything in that regard :) Two out of three insurers have said that they will not insure before the car is registered in Estonia. Waiting for the third (there were only two initially who were at all willing to insure a Tesla, the third I lobbied by having a 1 hour talk with their risk management head) to make an offer for insurance and once they do I'll pop the question of insuring by VIN number before I pick it up. If that doesn't work I have to ask Tesla to organize insurance from NL and if that fails I'll have to just organize a truck to bring it here and hope it's got no issues for me to iron out at a SC as that means a foreign trip for me :(
 
Tesla has no contacts for Estonia so they won't do anything in that regard :) Two out of three insurers have said that they will not insure before the car is registered in Estonia. Waiting for the third (there were only two initially who were at all willing to insure a Tesla, the third I lobbied by having a 1 hour talk with their risk management head) to make an offer for insurance and once they do I'll pop the question of insuring by VIN number before I pick it up. If that doesn't work I have to ask Tesla to organize insurance from NL and if that fails I'll have to just organize a truck to bring it here and hope it's got no issues for me to iron out at a SC as that means a foreign trip for me :(

Mario, I am not sure but maybe it is possible to get a temporary Dutch license plate and on basis of the Dutcht temporary plates to get insurance coverage in the Netherlands. You may want to check on this.
 
Mario, I am not sure but maybe it is possible to get a temporary Dutch license plate and on basis of the Dutcht temporary plates to get insurance coverage in the Netherlands. You may want to check on this.

That is one of the options however I have no clue how to investigate it beyond asking my delivery specialist to look into this once we get to that point in time. The reason I asked in this thread is that there are people who have actually done the trip like the OP here did the trip to Madrid so I wanted to know how he insured the car.
 
That is one of the options however I have no clue how to investigate it beyond asking my delivery specialist to look into this once we get to that point in time. The reason I asked in this thread is that there are people who have actually done the trip like the OP here did the trip to Madrid so I wanted to know how he insured the car.

This might be of some help, good luck.http://www.vwe-netherlands.com/Export.aspx
 
That is one of the options however I have no clue how to investigate it beyond asking my delivery specialist to look into this once we get to that point in time. The reason I asked in this thread is that there are people who have actually done the trip like the OP here did the trip to Madrid so I wanted to know how he insured the car.

Hi Mario,

I will summarise what you and I talked about outside this forum for the benefit of anyone else with the same concerns...

With regard to insurance and temporary plates, essentially my delivery specialist (Michael) told me that the temporary plate (german in my case) came with insurance (don't ask me the policy details though :smile: ).

For road trips like these you need to go well prepared with cables and adapters. There are a series of these that we discussed for these trips from Tilburg to home:

1. In addition to the UMC that comes with the car request a RED CEE (16A 3 phase 5 pin) and BLUE CEE (32A single phase 3 pin) adapter from Tesla (the Blue one will be available soon, otherwise make a BLUE 32A single phase 3 pin Plug to RED 16A 3 phase 5 pin Socket adapter... it's not as good as the official Tesla solution as it will only charge 16A single phase but it's better than nothing - if you don't know how, ask me, its easy enough)

2. Request a spare UMC just in case (I didn't do this but I agree that if you are going as far as Estonia it makes sense.... I am on my third UMC for the Roadster by the way!)

3. Buy or make a RED CEE 32A 3 phase 5 pin plug to RED CEE 16A 3 phase 5 pin socket adapter (also easy - just ask me if you don't know how)

4. Buy a Mennekes cable as you may run into some Mennekes outlets (if you are lucky). You will also need this cable for point 5....

5. Buy a portable wallbox - this will allow you to plug into the RED CEE 32A 3 phase 5 pin outlet and charge at up to 18kW (or 22kW if Tesla update the firmware soon). You will need the Mennekes cable from point 4. too.

To give you an idea of charge sockets, power and recharge rates here are some numbers:


Connection
Max Current
Power
Recharge rate in Rated (Ideal) kms
UMC regular schuko socket
13A
3kW
13kms per hour
UMC RED + BLUE 32A to RED 16A adapter
16A 3.7kW16kms per hour
UMC BLUE
32A 7kW 40kms per hour
UMC RED
16A 3-phase 11kW 60kms per hour
UMC RED + RED 32A to RED 16A adapter
16A 3-phase 11kW 60kms per hour
Mennekes + portable wallbox (with 26A limit)
26A 3-phase 18kW 100kms per hour
Mennekes + portable wallbox
32A 3-phase 22kW 125kms per hour
Supercharger (no cable needed)
250A or more 100kW or more full charge in an hour
Clearly, going via superchargers is the best, but otherwise if you need to recharge fast the wallbox option is great.

There are a few other types of sockets around such as BLUE CEE 16A 3 pin sockets. You could carry a spare plug for this if you want. It doesn't hurt to carry tools and other plugs in case but it depends how comfortable you are with rewiring things I suppose.

Hope this helps

Mark
 
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I know the wallb-e.com to go. Is this the portable box you mean? Or are there others? Because I already bought a mennekes cable. So a box (cheaper) that can use the cable I already have would be nice. And some web-shops that sell the adapters you propose?

Great trip BTW.
 
I know the wallb-e.com to go. Is this the portable box you mean? Or are there others? Because I already bought a mennekes cable. So a box (cheaper) that can use the cable I already have would be nice. And some web-shops that sell the adapters you propose?

Great trip BTW.

Thanks. More to come I hope (like Madrid to The Alps and back :) )

The Portable Wallbox is actually a standard wallbox with a handle and plug. It cost €700 plus sales tax down here. I'm sure it can be bought for less over the net. Here's a photo:

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Web shops for the adapters? The UMC RED and BLUE adapters Tesla themselves sell, so, for the BLUE 32A to RED 16A and the RED 32A to RED 16A, if there were demand I'd put them together and sell them myself through driveandream. I don't know of any store selling them right now, but then I've never looked :)
 
Yes it looks like it has two males, but it shouldn't (best confirm).

Be aware that you will need to add a contactor and RCBO to that charging station kit if doing it above board. Those are pretty cheap on the likes of eBay, however.
 
The wallb-e.com to go at 840 euro (+delivery) with 4m to Mennekes Type 2 en 4m to CEE 32A red looks like a good deal. Expecting delivery in March, a summer vacation to Italy (through The Netherlands, Germany and Austria) in the ModelS would be nice. I hope they build a lot of SC in Germany soon. But the wall box looks like a must for faster charging.
 
Silvio,

wallb-e is overwhelmed by demand ATM. They have a hard time to secure supply of such simple things like cable, Mennekes plugs, etc but have promised to make good until xmas. The first superchargers in Germany are about to be unveiled soon. Tesla stated "before end of 2013". Half a dozen construction sites have been spotted, plus one in Switzerland. So you can charge at 16A from any CEE socket with the Tesla Mobile Connector, at 26A from a CEE32A socket with a mobile box, at 26A with a type 2 mennekes cable at any charge point you have authorisation for, or with +200A at Tesla SC along your route.

I'd say, take a ferry to Zeebrugge, make use of the existing superchargers in the Netherlands, thru Germany and Switzerland, and arrive in Milano 16hours later. But save the money for the mobile box and get a good type 2 cable instead.
 
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I'd say, take a ferry to Zeebrugge, make use of the existing superchargers in the Netherlands, thru Germany and Switzerland, and arrive in Milano 16hours later. But save the money for the mobile box and get a good type 2 cable instead.

I think a portable wallbox is money well spent. It is very easy to find a red 32A 5 pin outlet in just about any large hotel down here (and in many mid-size ones too)as well as in France. It will be a while before there is enough charge infrastructure to make the portable wallbox unnecessary, at least here in the South, I fear.

Bear in mind as well that Super Chargers are on the main roads, but if you divert away from them (like when you are on vacation) you will need to have an alternative charge mechanism.

I got my wallbox locally but it is a Circ Control box as you can see in the photo above. There's a guy in Barcelona selling dutch wallboxes that look really good (chargingbox.es).