That makes sense in a cost of parts perspective and esp since the cost of surface is free. However, the reverse is true when you add in cost of installation/maintenance. I see rooftop retail solar coming in at about 11 cents a KWh (factoring in 6% interest over 20 years with 1 replacement inverter at the 10 year mark). Utility solar is coming in at 1-2 cents a KWh on bids!!!
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That makes sense in a cost of parts perspective and esp since the cost of surface is free. However, the reverse is true when you add in cost of installation/maintenance. I see rooftop retail solar coming in at about 11 cents a KWh (factoring in 6% interest over 20 years with 1 replacement inverter at the 10 year mark). Utility solar is coming in at 1-2 cents a KWh on bids!!!
Well compare to the majority of the population where I live i guess. You can say average people if you want. The average person isn't flying home to avoid traffic on the lie or fighting the wind farm with teams of attorneys.
The Hamptons Love Green Energy. But That Wind Farm?
jonquiljo
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$.38 is Tier 2. In Nov/Dec, my electricity was about 1/3 Tier 1 and 2/3 tier 2. Any car charging is above normal daily use, so I see it as Tier 2 - just like you look at tax on additional income. House is big - so tier 2 electricity is only in colder months, when gas heat is used more than anything. Warmer months will go to Tier 3 or Tier 4.
I’m not complaining ... would just rather give that money to anyone other than PG&E!
38 cents is more than 27 cents. Get enough solar + powerwall to make sure you never go into Tier 2 in the winter and never into Tier 3 and 4 in the summer. Make sure you have the Powerwall set for Island mode so it will also give you backup power when PG&E shuts off power.
DR61
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I don’t mind the $21.05 fixed charge since we in SMUD land have had zero emergency blackouts compared to the extensive blackouts in PG&E areas all around us this fall.
jonquiljo
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Working on it. Tesla (and many other companies) will not install panels on ceramic tile roofs - i.e. - here. Consumption is such that will need 4-5 Powerwalls. At the time of the blackouts last fall, consumption averaged 40-60 kwh/day. Peak Summer consumption is 90-95 kwh/day.
Used to high utility bills - but can’t tolerate PG&E stupid blackouts.
Also have lots of code to wade through re: Powerwall install regs - especially with that many Powerwalls.
The statement about ceramic tile roof is very strange. Tile roofing are the majority in the SW, at least in Nevada. And two of my co-workers have roof top solar. One installed by Solar City (now Tesla) and another by a diff company. As far as I know, Tesla is still installing roof top solar here.
I don't know where they get those numbers. From my current PG&E bill --- $.29/kwh (Tier 2) for transmission plus $08.7/kwh generation. Those are winter rates. Summer is way over $.50 at tier 2. My Model 3 could put us into Tier 3. If we lived in a condo it would be different, but we don't.
Of course the power has to be on for those charges!
Check out the PG&E EV2-A rate. It's non tiered and applies to your whole hose. If you charge at night, the rate is around 17 cents per kWh
Making sense of the rates
If you can add solar to your house, you can save more.
Not really surprising when you compare gas prices ($2.10 vs $4.00) in those same areas. Or house prices ($200k vs $1M+)
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
You are still saving money. I challenge you to show that you aren't.
It took a good 8 months or so for it to find mine. Sense is odd in that way. It will sometimes find a small aquarium heater buried behind a giant surge protector with several other gadgets but not find things on a dedicated or nearly dedicated circuit.
Electric700
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I think the keyword to add is "some". Many people, no matter their income level, are realizing that we need to transition the world to solar / wind / hydro power. If you add sufficient solar / wind power systems to your house, you can charge your Tesla for free!
I didn't clearly communicate my thinking. I felt like the person whose post I was quoting was making the "all rich people are evil" claim which I get sick of. Yes, a number of "them" are, but so are some people in ALL economic brackets.
jonquiljo
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What can I say, two people at Tesla told me no. Its not that big a deal as I’d prefer someone who wants to do a careful job. The house in 15 years into a 90 year roof. The tiles are not made any more and next to impossible to find. Someone trashes too many tiles and I have to replace the roof at a cost of about $80,000.
The tiles aren’t the standard terra cotta like they make pots out of. Every house on this street has different color/shaped tiles.
In general its a big project with a fair number of panels with delicate roof tiles - and a LOT of battery storage. I have been told that Tesla is best for battery packs, but their Solar city panels aren’t anything special.
I said I am not saving in winter.
I took a screen shot of miles remaining tonight. Car is not plugged in so all the cabin heating will be from the pack in the morning. Will post again tomorrow miles traveled vs consumed, dash energy use tells only part of the story.
Today and most days morning preheat is from shore power and with mild temps high 20s today my 30mile average over the last few days was 525wh/m start letting all the preheating show up and then add pack heating, then make it actually cold these numbers get out of control fast.
This year is warm typically at least one week of January is highs in the single digits.
Well I wasn't. Some people are just overly sensitive. Pretty sure I was saying why there is no wind and solar where I live.
I am overly sensitive to the fact you have no wind nor solar... do you live in the deep ocean?
Some states have "community solar" projects where people who rather not modify their roof or live in apt/condo, can buy in.
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