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2.50.180 Auto Headlights Always On

Discussion in 'Model S' started by Haxster, Dec 25, 2016.

  1. Haxster

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    With the latest software release, the "Auto Headlights" feature on AP2 has been enabled.

    Unfortunately, on my car, the "Auto" mode doesn't seem to recognize daylight. The headlights are always on in "Auto" (as is the headlight indicator on the instrument cluster).

    Has anyone else noticed this...or am I doing something wrong or not waiting long enough for them to turn off?
     
  2. Vger

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    #2 Vger, Dec 25, 2016
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    Is it raining there? If so (wipers active), the lights on AUTO will stay on in daylight.

    Hmmm, I just went out to my car to check this, and I saw the same behaviour—headlights on while in AUTO, even though it is not dark here yet. It is late afternoon and the light is not too bright now (northern exposure).

    Now, this is a Canadian car, but it used to be that only DRLs stayed on in daylight, now headlights are on too.

    I will have to see more tomorrow.
     
  3. jldf310

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    Same here, headlights always on in Auto mode after 2.50.180. No rain.
     
  4. jdw

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    The last update I received turned the lights on when you turned them off when in Park. You could turn the lights off by entering Drive.

    This one turns them on no matter what you do.

    I think Tesla struggles with Canadian always on DRL requirements, likely as the law uses the term “headlights”.
     
  5. Drone Flyer

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    The headlights should always be on anyway, for safety sakes.
    That's the one good thing our government has done right in Canada!
     
  6. hingisfan

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    DRLs are required to be on all the time, not full headlights.
     
  7. zonehawk

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    I'm in Florida, experienced the same thing 80 degree sunny day here.
     
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    Auto won't turn on the headlights - just the DRL - during the day. Is there any reason a person would not want a car to have Auto headlight function on?
     
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    #9 hill, Dec 25, 2016
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    Lots of data in the U.S. showing that neither DRL's nor headlights (in the daytime) amount to a hill of beans towards safety reduced accidents/close calls/fatalities . Similarly, low speed noise makers on ev's & phev's. It's a case of way to much incoming data & everyone transmitting the extra noise/brightness simply lowers the level of the response to the recipient. Even bringing up that notion to the 'believers' in that kind of tech creates a firestorm/flame response way too often ... & that's not my intent, so please don't blast away. It's just that's what many of the authors say ... i have no idea one way or the other. But from the ammo of both sides - it doesn't look like there's a clear cut winner either way. Still ~ i use 'em.
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  10. dbw77

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    Same issue (in California) new P90D updated to latest yesterday, drove today in daylight, set to auto, headlights stayed on
     
  11. Dax279

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    I thought Canada introduced its legislation based off data that showed otherwise? Too much data out there ... in any event i hate it at dusk or even at night when people forget to turn on their lights. You truly can barely see the car coming. At least with DRL youbhave a bit more of a chance.
     
  12. Ulmo

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    #12 Ulmo, Dec 25, 2016
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    I hate excess safety measures that cause dangers more than safety, like you said. However, I have a simple rule of thumb when to use headlights other than at dark:
    • When other people in front of me might have trouble seeing me and I want them to see me. Examples:
      • Winding mountain road
      • Foggy or dusty unseparated road
    • When the law requires it (which is unfortunately becoming a more burdensome list)
    It can be summarized as "whenever there is a sight impairment", and that impairment could be fog, dust, corners, trucks, dark, or in loose interpretations that have been codified thanks to a little girl in Live Oak area of Santa Cruz who suggested it to Sam Farr in the California Legislature using a new law suggestion program Farr ran, rain. By now she's old enough to be my boss. I wonder what she does.

    So, about 2.50.180 Auto Headlights on TeslaVision AutoPilot-2 hardware: I was using it today in conditions in which I thought it would not be on, and it indicated headlights were on in the dash board. I think it's being excessively on. Daylight, sunny even, no rain. I'll have to confirm later. I was wondering this same thing and didn't pay attention to it while driving. The icon hides behind the steering wheel so it's dangerous for me to look at it. (I leave high beams on accidentally all the time because of this problem.) Plus my car is so bouncy/bumpy, I was probably distracted by that and forgot to look at the dash much.
     
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  13. Haxster

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    Whatever! Although what is wrong with having full headlights on at all times?
    It's a safety thing no matter how you look at it!
     
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    On Canadian cars, the DRL’s are always on - the only way to turn them off was to put the car in park and get out and get back in. They would come back on when you turned the car on or entered drive. You could however turn the headlights off or on independently of the DRL's.

    One firmware update ago, if you entered park and the headlights were not on and you turned the headlights off, they actually turned on and could not be turned off … unless you entered drive. It didn’t make a lot of sense that the headlights would not turn off in park but could be turned off in drive.

    Now, it seems you can’t turn them off at all, which defeats the point of offering any kind of control of the headlights.
     
  16. dbw77

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    Hi,
    Headlights being on all the time is ok, if you want to do that.

    The issue here (for me) is I had an AP1 version P85D and auto headlights always turned off during the day and on at night (or when it was dark) like many other cars. When I received my new AP2 car, this was not even enabled.

    With the latest update, the "AUTO" function is back, and I would expect it to work as before, i.e. lights off in daylight, on when dark.
    However, the lights seem to be staying on all of the time, even when it is light outside.

    I am now wondering if this is a software issue, of if there is a sensor problem.
    I was "happy" to see others reporting it, as maybe it is just a software issue,. If not, then maybe we have a common sensor issue, since it was just enabled and seems to not be working.

    So the question is, is the "AUTO" function working as expected when set to "AUTO"?
     
  17. Science fan

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    I did a very quick, not thorough, search on DRL efficacy and found the following study at the top of the list:

    During 1995–2002, there were 184,637 vehicles (1995 or newer) with identifiable VINs involved in accidents which occurred under the specified test conditions. Of these vehicles, 37,909 were determined to have standard DRLs and 146,728 were determined to be models without DRLs (including those listed as DRL optional). The crash rate among vehicles without standard DRLs was 1.73 (95% CI: 1.71–1.75) times higher than the rate for vehicles with standard DRLs. The rate ratio was also significant for fatal vehicle crash rates 1.48 (95% CI: 1.23–1.76).

    Conclusion
    Minnesota vehicles equipped with DRLs were associated with a statistically significant lower crash rate compared to vehicles without DRLs from 1995 to 2002.

    Back to me: It is possible that the vehicles with DRLs were newer and had safer drivers, but I would err on the side of keeping running lights, or even headlights, on while driving. The cost is very minimal, especially if you have LED headlights.
     
  18. theslimshadyist

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    #18 theslimshadyist, Dec 26, 2016
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    Same here, I have the headlights set to auto and they are always on. I just sent an email to support letting them know and I would recommend that others do the same. The squeaky wheel gets the grease!
     
  19. 3s-a-charm

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    I agree that having the DRL active is sufficient and the actual headlights only at night with the Auto function.
     
  20. sdorn

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    When my car was delivered last week, the person walking me through the features put the headlights on "auto" and they turned off because the showroom was well lit. However, they have been on every time I've driven the car since that I've noticed. It has always been either dark or at least cloudy though at those times. I need to get the car out in full sunlight and see what it does, but I don't know if the weather is going to cooperate with me any time soon.
     

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