I've already summed it up. ZenRockGarden posted false info over and over, as well as info that has been outdated for months. What if I said Tesla recalled 500,000 vehicles and to not drive them because they have no solution yet? The last two parts are totally false. He then doubled down by posting more info that is false.
I have an issue with false and horribly outdated info. Perhaps you don't? For example, you claimed "Toyota has yet to make an EV", yet I pointed to multiple pure EV models including one (the gen 1 Rav4 EV) that was produced years before Tesla's founding. I've seen them in person numerous times and talked to some of their drivers. One of them pointed out to me the "service prug" it has that
Spare Leaf NAV/Head Unit $1,842 - My Nissan Leaf Forum refers to. Yes, that's what the printed label actually said.
I mentioned "service prug" twice here:
There is a thread about the 1998-2003 Toyota RAV4-EV HERE. It was Toyota's 90's compliance car for California (so few people outside of California have heard of it). Never got as much attention as the EV-1, but it was a GREAT car. NIMH batteries hung underneath, so no cargo space intrusion. My...
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This is sad. Toyota CEO shows lack of vision, spreads EV misinformation, and spells the end for the automaker - Electrek
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Part 1 is true. Part 2 is which I
bolded is false. GM has NOT given that as general advice to existing Bolt customers, drivers, owners, or lessees as it relates to the infamous battery recall. The
last part has been false since at Sept 20, 2021 (
Chevrolet Bolt EV Battery Production Resumes).
GM did in Nov 2020 originally only recall Korean made battery Bolts (all '17 and '18 + subset of '19) thinking that the defect(s) that could lead to fires were confined to Korean made packs. And, they claimed a "final remedy" with dealer diagnostics and more on-board diagnostics (described at
Bolt EV Battery Cell Inspection – TechLink) was the solution (i.e. they could detect the bad batteries via software). This was end of April 2021/May 2021. Although it definitely flagged some packs or modules as bad, at least one Bolt w/the "final remedy" caught fire. And, later it was discovered that the defects were also found outside the Ochang, South Korea plant, hence
General Motors to Recall Additional Bolt EVs (aka all of them).
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RMISC-21V560-8766.pdf is a summary of some of the above and I pointed to it at
Fire recalls summary and timeline - Updated 12/21/21.
And again, during none of that period between Nov 2020 and now did GM tell people that their Bolts "must not be driven".
The above is also totally false as of Sept 20, 2021. The solution eventually became to replace the packs and it's been going on since Oct 2021. Between the recall expansion and Sept 20, 2021 there was scrambling and an apparent battle between GM and LG (e.g.
GM 'not confident' LG Chem will build defect-free Bolt batteries, followed by
'GM quality metrics' implemented at LG to speed fix for Bolt battery fires).
They claim to have resolved that. If you look at the type of communications NHTSA asks of automakers when it comes to recall remedies (and what the automaker sends back has a ton of confidential info and is mostly n/a to the public or heavily redacted), I'm sure they have to explain in detail. Look under
2019 CHEVROLET BOLT EV 5 HB FWD | NHTSA, for example. There are currently 7 associated documents.
The above is again false since there are two recall populations.
N212343880:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLQRT-21V560-9386.PDF <-- model years '17 to '19
N212345940:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLQRT-21V650-9333.PDF <-- model years '20 to '22
That's 8,312 remedied out of 109,828 US Bolts. i can't speak to outside the US.
If you really care to, drill down at
Fire recalls summary and timeline - Updated 12/21/21 for each model year then expand campaign 21V560000. There you will see N212343880 vs. N212345940.
You can see these in the 573 reports:
N212343880 for '17 to '19
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLRPT-21V560-5475.PDF
N212345940 for '20 to '22
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLRPT-21V650-4541.PDF
And then in post 67, he posts info that is correct for people who have either NOT received a replacement pack OR got the 80% temp limiter patch applied by their dealer. But, the patch has been available for ALL Bolts since Dec 21, 2021. It was first available for '19 Bolts on ~Nov 19, 2021. I had it applied to my former Bolt on 12/1/2021. And over 8300 US Bolts have received replacement packs and do not have to follow such guidance.
(There are some Bolt drivers w/o a replacement packs who are refusing to follow the guidance AND refusing to get the 80% temp limiter patch installed.)
And, as I said, as of the quarterly reports submitted by GM to NHTSA, over 8300 in the US have been remedied. I know of numerous Canadian Bolts that have gotten new packs but they're not counted by NHTSA since NHTSA is a US agency. Transport Canada probably tracks their data.
All that said, time will tell whether these new packs being installed as replacements are an effective remedy and can get the fire rate down to nil or nearly nil given normal customer usage patterns including charging to 100% and discharging as low as the car will allow. If not, GM will have another huge mess on its hands. That's been discussed a bunch on chevybolt.org. Some people don't trust GM/LG and thus have that as a reason for requesting buyback.
