Well I guess the choice between NACS and J1772 just got a lot clearer. Now I only have to be concerned with pissing off 2% of guests. Maybe 1% if GM follows suit.
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20 or 30 amp breaker for tesla wall charger
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Perhaps the simplest solution, also least expensive, is to provide a 120V/20 amp GFCI protected charging circuit and inform prospective renters. They would be free to bring their portable charging cord sets. Renters can be hard on furnishings and equipment. A Tesla Wall Connector installed on the outside of the home would be an invitation to some to charge their vehicles without permission when no one is there.
Ford just announced they are switching to the Tesla connector.
They did not announce that. They announce that they will use an adapter that will work with 12000 Tesla chargers and that at some point in the future 2025 or later they will make some vehicles that have the NACS for charging. They have not decided to abandon the current AC is charging standard or the CCS 1 DC fast charging in favor of NACS entirely.
Yes they did.
Right--for the existing cars they made in these last few years, which already have the CCS port.
No, not "some" vehicles. They said they are switching over entirely to the NACS port starting in their 2025 models.
Yes, that is exactly what they are doing. NACS will be the port on their future vehicles, going by what they just announced. As mentioned, they will have the adapter to support the older vehicles, but NACS will be the port going forward. Here is the detail about it.
Ford adopts Tesla charge port for future EVs, Supercharger access soon
Say farewell to CCS in Ford EVs. Next-generation models will have the familiar Tesla port built in, with charging at Tesla Supercharger stations requiring no adapter.
Vacation rental = Forsla connector ftwYes they did.
Right--for the existing cars they made in these last few years, which already have the CCS port.
No, not "some" vehicles. They said they are switching over entirely to the NACS port starting in their 2025 models.
Yes, that is exactly what they are doing. NACS will be the port on their future vehicles, going by what they just announced. As mentioned, they will have the adapter to support the older vehicles, but NACS will be the port going forward. Here is the detail about it.
Ford adopts Tesla charge port for future EVs, Supercharger access soon
Say farewell to CCS in Ford EVs. Next-generation models will have the familiar Tesla port built in, with charging at Tesla Supercharger stations requiring no adapter.www.greencarreports.com
It's only a matter of time until others follow suit.
no. The original announcement said that they were going to put the NACS port on next generation vehicles in 2025. that doesn’t mean all vehicles. Any vehicle that’s in the current generation will continue to have what it has. But, they’re not gonna re-engineer it just to add NACS, but as they rearchitect their products, they will add it.
It's like this: Right now, this very minute, if you want a one-size-fits-all, you'll get a wall connector that has a J1772 cable on it. All the Tesla people have the adapter; all the non-Tesla people can take it as is, not considering the oddball old-time Nissan Leaf folks, who probably can take a J1772.
Two years from now as the coin flips, the US as a whole may or may not be moving towards NACS for both DC and AC charging. If it does, cool: But there's a jillion AC public parking stations already present in and around parking garages, Whole Foods, and what-all that are J1772, so that standard isn't going away any time soon. Frankly, nobody, given the chance, is going to go around refitting old J1772's from Chargepoint and the like given any kind of real choice. New installs, later, sure. But, like I said, nobody knows what the future will bring, so it's not worthwhile freaking out now.
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Two years from now as the coin flips, the US as a whole may or may not be moving towards NACS for both DC and AC charging. If it does, cool: But there's a jillion AC public parking stations already present in and around parking garages, Whole Foods, and what-all that are J1772, so that standard isn't going away any time soon. Frankly, nobody, given the chance, is going to go around refitting old J1772's from Chargepoint and the like given any kind of real choice. New installs, later, sure. But, like I said, nobody knows what the future will bring, so it's not worthwhile freaking out now.
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A hot tub and a dryer and an EV are a lot to ask from 100A service. Curious to see what your electrician says.Thanks for all the replies, I'm going to go for it and note the kw rating in the picture and listing. Pretty sure I can go 30amp circuit, we'll see what the electrician says next week. Tesla offers the option to take the WC all the way down to 15a so they must think it's got value. Even that would still be twice as fast as a wall outlet.
The remaining question is NACS vs J1772. True every Tesla came with the J1772 adapter, but NACS is 80% of the market and a number of Tesla drivers may have misplaced the adapter, never used it or not even be aware of it. They do make NACS to J1772 adapters that are relatively inexpensive. It boils down to who gets inconvenienced dealing with an adapter. I'm leaning towards the 20%, those people already made the choice to be inconvenienced
Dialing down the charge rate to avoid a "warm/hot" mobile connector is, in my opinion, reasonably valid. Thermal cycling causes connections to loosen and fail over time. However, with a properly installed wall connector, you ought to be able to go at full rate as hardwired connections don't pose the same issues.
Oh good grief. That's exactly what we were all saying, but you made false assumptions and then told us we were wrong. The statement made by @MattM24 was that Ford is "switching to" the NACS connector. What does that phrase "switching to" mean?
You said Matt's statement was not true, because you seemed to ASSUME we meant Ford retrofitting parts into the cars people already owned and had at home in their garages. No. That is dumb and of course isn't going to happen and isn't what we were talking about.
The commonly understood meaning of "switching to" is that those future cars that Ford WILL BUILD will have that port.
Who’s being pedantic now? Right after the announcement they were several people who thought they were announcing that they were gonna put both ports with only later clarificationthat they decided that was not the interpretation. I use the original interpretation, which I thought was a sensible. I’m not gonna keep going on with this, so if you want to be right, you can be right.
Done. Hopefully guests appreciate it even if it is only 24 amps.
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