This is the exact reason i would never own a car like this out of warranty65k miles I paid $800 for 4 year maintenance
At that time they diagnosed an issue with primary charger options were $300 to swap it to slave or $2200 replace. Chose $300 car charges at 72 amps instead of 80amps.
Year later TPMS computer fails disabling the car due to flooding the CanBus. $600
$700 in parts for rotors and all new pads including parking brake, labor was DIY.
$1260 front suspension repairs.
$400 pack heater replacement, this failure disabled the car.
$220 12volt replacement, Ranger did this at my home.
$40 for a washer pump DIY labor.
Recalls on steering bolt's and airbag.
Charge port lights have gone crappy but doesn't affect function, sounds like this is $400 to fix.
One of the doorhandles LEDs is out sounds like they would want to do the whole handle $$$.
Car started out in the southwest has not been in WI the whole time.
This is all between 65-93k miles and a little over 2 years.
I have owned cars over 200k that I didn't have this much trouble with this quickly.
I wonder how many of the "nothing to fail" crowd own cars under 2yo.
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2014 P85 Depreciation?
- Thread starter flynnstone
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All P85D’s have held their value not just the P85D+. Assuming it has been in an accident etc is one thing but having a car with a clean Carfax is another regardless if it was in an accident or not. 99% of buyers will only care what the Carfax shows when selling the car. So it is extremely important to have one with a clean Carfax if you want to be able to recoup as much money as possible when selling it. From someone who buys and sells cars frequently having a car even with a minor accident since Carfax goes into a lot more depth than they use too. i.e. did the car have to towed or was it able to drive after, did the airbags deploy, was their structural damage etc. Even most of these things won’t matter to the next buyer. Most buyers will only buy a car with no accidents showing on the Carfax/autocheck. Otherwise be prepared to take a hit on the value if the car doesn’t have a clean Carfax. This is just the reality.
As far as the performance of a P85D and P100DL it doesn’t matter the conditions. I’ve owned the fastest P90DL that was faster than most P100DL’s and my P85D can do almost exactly the same time 0-30mph. In fact it actually faster than most P100DL’s 0-30mph. I have never taken either one to a track, all times have been on public roads.
As far as a P85D+ and P85D there will be no gain really when selling. Now a P85 and P85+ you can expect to get a couple thousand more. Not enough people even know that the P85D+ exists but if they do you might be able to get a little extra. As far as personal enjoyment the P85D+ is significantly better at handling than the P85D. However some don’t like the stiffer suspension and would opt for one without the + suspension. But if you actually like to have fun in it and push it around corners etc the car will handle better than any other Tesla besides the new Ravens which have upgraded their suspension. Also if you like to lower your car the + suspension being stiffer will allow you to get away with it being lower.
The 3rd set of numbers down is 0-30mph. 4th is 0-60mph 1ft.
P85D 0-30 mph
P100DL 0-30 mph
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I do not understand why 72A. Each charger is 40A. If the defective master was disabled and the slave is the master then the max should be 40A. Can you elaborate what the repair was? Thank you.
Ostrichsak
Well-Known Member
The newer version of the high-speed charger is 72A rather than the previous 40A x 2 array.
FWIW:
Our fully loaded March 2015 P85 with 90k mikes was valued at about $46k by a third party valuation company after a hail damage incident. Your $44k price seems a good deal.
That said, our P85 has had the following repairs:
Our fully loaded March 2015 P85 with 90k mikes was valued at about $46k by a third party valuation company after a hail damage incident. Your $44k price seems a good deal.
That said, our P85 has had the following repairs:
- Motor replaced at about 25k miles due to whine
- MCU replaced at 50k miles due to complete failure
- Onboard charger replaced at about 80k miles
- High voltage battery replaced at about 90k miles due to complete failure
- High voltage battery replaced again at about 98k miles due to complete failure
- Three of four door handles replaced/rebuilt
I don't understand how so many people have "repeat" issues like this. Its like if your battery went bad.. you will repeatedly come back in for the same issue. Same with the motor.
One of the chargers is "down a phase" according to the tech, not completely failed. Damaged one was the primary and I got an error every time I charged, they swapped it to the secondary position and it only delivers 32amps due to whatever failure has occured inside.
But my my car is dual 40 equipped.
2014 P85 VIN is 42,XXX
Tesla wouldn't give me a full history but did mention all 4 handles were done before I got it.
I'm not sure why the battery they gave us at 90k miles went bad at about 8k miles later. I guess there was a problem with the refurb they gave us. (I have no doubt it was a refurbished battery. I don't see them giving factory new batteries for warranty replacement at 90k miles.)
Thank you. That makes sense. Likely there are 5x8A modules inside each 40A charger. I recall seeing a picture of the HVJB and there were a bunch of smaller wires going to each charger. Interesting that the charger can work with one of the 5 modules down.
thecloud
As rhythm raced inside, the ship came alive
I used to think that as well, at first.
Let's be pessimistic and assume everything SSedan listed (plus the MCU) is going to fail, even if it doesn't.
0. Keep my P85: $0
1. Replace primary charger: ($2200)
2. Replace TPMS computer: ($600)
3. Replace brake rotors and pads: ($700)
4. Front suspension repairs: ($1260)
5. Pack heater replacement: ($400)
6. 12V replacement: ($220)
7. Washer pump, no labor: ($40)
8. Replace charge port: ($400)
9. Replace 4 door handles: ($1600)
10. Replace MCU: ($3500)
Total spent: $10,920
Now compare the alternative:
0. Sell my P85: +$40,000
1. Buy equivalent Model S (100D): $119,000
Total spent: $79,000
The equation changes slightly once the 8 year drive train warranty is up, but it's still cheaper to replace the main battery pack and DU than to replace the car. Also, there are several things I continue to appreciate about my P85 which Tesla no longer offers:
1. Rear-wheel drive performance option. (This is a personal preference; most owners would likely choose all-wheel drive.)
2. Larger frunk storage space, partly due to #1.
3. Pano roof that opens.
Just some thoughts after 5+ years of ownership. I may reconsider later after I get to drive a Model Y or a Cybertruck.
A P85 is more equivalent to a 75D now. Which you can now buy used, from Tesla, with a full warranty for $45k. Makes it a much better deal than repairing an out of warranty P85 (spending $10K)I used to think that as well, at first.
Let's be pessimistic and assume everything SSedan listed (plus the MCU) is going to fail, even if it doesn't.
0. Keep my P85: $0
1. Replace primary charger: ($2200)
2. Replace TPMS computer: ($600)
3. Replace brake rotors and pads: ($700)
4. Front suspension repairs: ($1260)
5. Pack heater replacement: ($400)
6. 12V replacement: ($220)
7. Washer pump, no labor: ($40)
8. Replace charge port: ($400)
9. Replace 4 door handles: ($1600)
10. Replace MCU: ($3500)
Total spent: $10,920
Now compare the alternative:
0. Sell my P85: +$40,000
1. Buy equivalent Model S (100D): $119,000
Total spent: $79,000
The equation changes slightly once the 8 year drive train warranty is up, but it's still cheaper to replace the main battery pack and DU than to replace the car. Also, there are several things I continue to appreciate about my P85 which Tesla no longer offers:
1. Rear-wheel drive performance option. (This is a personal preference; most owners would likely choose all-wheel drive.)
2. Larger frunk storage space, partly due to #1.
3. Pano roof that opens.
Just some thoughts after 5+ years of ownership. I may reconsider later after I get to drive a Model Y or a Cybertruck.
i still plan to go with the used P85 from tesla though
geoffmanley
Member
Is it possible to option a Model S up that high? I thought it was like $110k topped out. Not that it matters much for the point you are making.
thecloud
As rhythm raced inside, the ship came alive
Yeah, I did have some second thoughts about using the word "equivalent" since Tesla doesn't offer the same model anymore. Is it price, range, performance, features, or some combination? I don't see a 75D as being equivalent in range (my P85 still has over 260 miles at 100%), but more equivalent in performance. P90D seems closer to equivalent on range and slightly better on performance, and it's $60K used.
The $119,000 figure I quoted for a new 100D was actually from a year ago (I was lazy and googled it rather than going through the design studio), so it may well be down to $110,000 now (and without a pano roof). Buying used is always a bit of a crap shoot, especially ones that have "previously repaired" in their description or are over 4 years old/50K miles which is only a 2-year warranty. I usually want to keep my cars for longer periods of time.
Your plan was to resell the P85 at the end of one year and get into a 100D. The cheapest used 100D on Tesla's site right now is $78,600. If you were to sell today and get your $45K back, the difference is still $33,600.
I fully endorse your choice.
whitex
Well-Known Member
Is this the guy you're talking about?
I think a more accurate statement would be that EV's have the potential to require less maintenance and repairs. That is definitely not true today, including (or maybe especially) Tesla vehicles. I think once EV's mature as a product, and produced by a company experienced in making reliable cars (hint, don't change the production parts every 2 weeks, something Elon is proud of), they will be more reliable. The other aspect of this is the vehicle complexity. As that increases, the reliability will suffer. In the old day's there wasn't much that would make you stranded with an ICE vehicle. Most of the time it was something which roadside assistance could fix for you (change your 12V battery, fill you up with gasoline, change fuel filter), at least so you could find a shop to fix it permanently. Today, especially with Tesla, the car dies, you have no remedy but to get in line at the service center, everything is computerized, cryptographically protected, etc, etc.. Just like carburetor ICE engines were easier to fix than fuel injected ones, EV's add a whole new level of complexity, so things like this can happen:
Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Catastrophic Failure While Parked
Some day, when EV's as a product have been perfected and manufactured with 20 year lifespan in mind (Elon, according to a recent tweet, only recently realized that cars last a lot longer than phones, so building a cell phone with wheels is a bad idea - as evidenced by all the MCU1 failures, and it's slowness due to having to run software written for newer cars), EV's will be more reliable than ICE cars. Those probably won't be Teslas, as Elon will always want to sell Beta cars, but there will be EV's which will be lower maintenance than ICE cars.
The base Long Range starts at $80k now and includes almost everything that use to be options except paint color, wheel options, interior color and full self driving. It also has 373 miles of range and does 0-60 in 3.7s.
thecloud
As rhythm raced inside, the ship came alive
Both my car and the one @flynnstone bought have most of the available options, including Autopilot. For a new Model S, you now have to buy the FSD package in order to get "convenience features" including traffic-aware cruise control, which adds $7,000 to the price.
I went through the Tesla design studio just now to see what it would cost to replace my car with a (feature-wise) equivalent long-range non-performance or performance Model S. Note this doesn't have a pano roof, which I'm told can be ordered off-menu somehow if you know how (I don't.)
long range (100D) base 79,990
midnight silver metallic 1,500
19" slipstream wheels 1,500
black interior, light seats 1,500
FSD 7,000
total 91,490
performance (P100D) base 99,990
midnight silver metallic 1,500
19" slipstream wheels 1,500
black interior, light seats 1,500
FSD 7,000
total 111,490
So, going back to the comparison where I keep driving my out-of-warranty P85 for the next 2 years and potentially spend up to $10K on repairs: I'd spend either $51,490 or $71,490 to trade it in. I'd get extra range, but I'd be giving up the front trunk storage and probably the pano roof. (The new Model S has full unlimited supercharging again, so that part remains equal.)
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geoffmanley
Member
While the new base all wheel drive models are quicker 0-60 than a P85 or P85+, it feels to me like at highway speeds the standard models don't have quite the pickup.