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2015 Model S 90D battery degradation - ~ 20% (no new software related)

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Roughly;

1063792-00-A: V1
1071394-00-A: V2
1088792-00-A: V3

Yet there are much more part numbers than this. I have a huge chart.

As of today my March 2017 built facelift V3 90pack is @48k miles - 7,7% degradation i.e. 6,57kWh i.e. around 20 miles. Not the end of the world yet I hope it levels out from now on.
 
Roughly;

1063792-00-A: V1
1071394-00-A: V2
1088792-00-A: V3

Yet there are much more part numbers than this. I have a huge chart.

As of today my March 2017 built facelift V3 90pack is @48k miles - 7,7% degradation i.e. 6,57kWh i.e. around 20 miles. Not the end of the world yet I hope it levels out from now on.

Thanks for the stats and model no. of the battery

IMO if it's <10% it is totally acceptable for 50k miles. As long as there'a a maximum amount of degradation.. then its fine. e.g. it wouldn't decrease by 30% after 100k miles. Which I read to be the case.

Do you know where can I read off that battery model no. from tesla's site?
2016 Model S | Tesla
Trying to figure out if a 2016 90D battery (AP1, but post-facelife) is going to be v1, v2, or v3.


What's the consensus here whether someone should get a used 75D vs 90D? They are actually kind of similar in price
 
Not sure. Maybe from option codes but all facelift should be either V3 or very late V2. Also V3 only matters if it is P90D to output max amps.

As for 75D vs 90D I'd go for 90D just because of +50V on battery. That matters when fast charging anywhere (even chademo) Us 90Ds have 75kWh actual usable capacity in reality whereas 75Ds have 10-12% less voltage and have 68kWh-ish usable.
 
I seem to have a battery issue.

I recently purchased my 2015 Model S 90d from the NJ Tesla CPO (april 2019) with ~34,000 miles on it. Upon pickup the car was charged to ~80% and showed 205 mile range.

I have 48,500 miles on it now, when I charge to 90% (81Kw) and drive to and from work everyday, I am down to 5% battery (~15 miles) after driving 182 miles consuming only 53.1Kw per the vehicle logging.

I only drive in”Range Mode”. No heat, A/C set at 23C with an outside avg temp of 26C. My commute speed averages 60mph, 43 miles each way everyday.

I have lost 24Kw or 20% of battery capacity, based upon the "available miles" upon the first day of pickup, this was the state of the battery upon purchase with ~34,000 miles on the clock in April 2019. Please explain. I didn't think about the range because I was a first time Tesla owner and I figured it was due to a fresh software load and mileage would settle out later....it never has.

I charged to 100% one time because of a long trip and the rated range was 250 miles.

I see Given that 5% = 4.5Kw my battery only yields 57.6Kw of use on an 81kw charge, I seem to be missing some capacity. I normally charge to 80-90% and get an avg of 40-50 miles (210-230 miles) which is about 50-70 less than the calculated and estimated capacity of a 90Kw battery.

My max rated range at a 90% charge is 230-233 miles in “Range Mode” with an average 295Wh/m usage, that results in 53-55Kw capacity. It should be closer to 270 miles based upon a 90Kw battery with a charged 90% (81Kw) capacity and usage.

This does not seem right.

Each morning I only lose 4-5 miles over night with no preconditioning. So I am losing only 1-2% over a resting period of 8 hours, I understand temperature fluctuations occur and it is cooler in the morning, so really no loss occurs.

I just completed a 1200 mile road trip and never reached over 200 miles per 85-90% charge except when the Supercharger forced a 97% charge in order to "just" make it to the next charger with 5% remaining, I pulled into planned supercharging stations with less than 10% remaining on 3 occasions. I was almost unable to reach one supercharger when I pulled in with 5% remaining and systems were shutting down. Driving was utilising smart cruise control at the speed limit and +5mph averaged days had little wind and avg of 88 degrees outside.

Seeing this it seems that I have “lost” 20Kw how do I get this fixed?

I have attempted to schedule mobile and in store service but the App continues to tell me that my registered phone number is invalid and will not allow scheduling.

Welcome to the forum!

The full charge rated range of your car is 270 miles (see 2015 Tesla Model S AWD - 90D). At 100%, yours shows close to 250 / 270, so about a 7% range loss. This is actually close to the lower percentage loss that others have seen for a car that's a few years old. The degradation has been seen to level off to a minimum after the first 1 - 2 years from new.

I don't recommend using Range Mode normally since the battery cooling / heating will be reduced. If you are low on charge and can't charge immediately, then that might be a good situation to use Range Mode in.

To save overnight range, try activating Energy Saving and then disable Always connected.

Lastly, you can ask Tesla for help with the app and let them know your number at: [email protected].

You can also leave a message with your service center.

I hope this helps!
 
Sorry to revive but update time!

MCU1/AP2 2017 facelift MS 90D built 03/17 @51k miles now. Battery dipped to 9,9% total degradation after 2019.32.2 (last V9) But after 2019.32.12 V10 went back up to 8% loss. Which is roughly 74,5kWh usable at 100%. 6kWh lost in 2.5 years and 51k miles. Will keep on updating if anyone's interested.

So used 90D vs. brand new Long Range Model S battery capacity difference is 23% more battery capacity and 10% more efficiency. So 1/3rd more range. In just roughly 3 years. Gotta appreciate Tesla for sure, steady and 'very' practical increase with range.

ps. Keeping track with Teslafi and root access. Directly from BMS data I know for a fact that 1km Typical (EU 90D) = 186,41Wh/km i.e. 300Wh/mi. When new it is 85,4kWh gross with 81,4kWh usable.
 
I must be one of the lucky ones because I have a pre-facelift 2016 90D (58k miles) with a V1 battery and I'm getting 211mi - 80% and 268mi - 100% which is only ~9% degradation.
I basically the same range as you with my late 2015 90D, picked up a year ago with 43K miles and had 267 rated at 100% ~240 at 90 and stayed flat through this year and I'm now at 54K. Teslafi is nice at tracking this easily... 250 seems on the low end here though...

OP you may want to look at your settings to make sure the always connected is turned off to avoid vampire drain while parked, cabin over heat protection also does this...