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Honestly after the feed back and toughcrowd here I did list it locally for 52,000 on Craigs list. I apologize for not updating the listing sooner.So is it 58k, or . . . 52k?
2017 tesla s 60D with autopilot
It's REALLY REALLY hard to get Tesla to recert a car. All the frame damage must be repaired to their specs (alum joints have to be glued, riveted with specific rivets, etc.). If ANYTHING is out of spec, the car fails. There are also two fees: 1) the fee for the Tesla certified bodyshop to take the car apart and photograph specific frame joints and sections and send to Tesla, and put the car back together, and then 2) the fee for Tesla to look at those pictures and their engineers to put a stamp of approval on it or not. In the end, you may go through the expense and still not get a certified car.
One thing that is interesting about this listing, if true, is that the Tesla mobile app still works. That is usually one of the first things to get discontinued. Is this the original Tesla app, or some 3rd party app like Ingineer's app?
Pre-crash pictures? Interior pictures? VIN?
A tough crowd ( sarcasm or honest feedback) it's both I get it. As for a sucker burn every day that is basically a insult to me and says I'm trying to screw someone. I was upfront private message me for details or maybe you missed that. Stop being a jackass and just move on obviously the car isn't for you. All your doing is putting a bad representation of TMC buyers. I drive this car daily and enjoy every minute. Crap I might just keep it and update you weekly on how it's doing just to prove a point that not every crashed car is driven by a sucker.I'd hardly describe as a tough crowd a bunch of potential buyers who want to know the VIN or whether a car is still covered under manufacturer warranty. I guess there is a sucker born every day.
Is this the car from your early post. Any frame damage repaired.
That is actually not that bad. The left side frame rail appears intact (the right was probably bent and had to be replaced).
If the person repairing it can get access to parts (i.e. the hardest part in any Tesla repair), a rebuild like this is more like "legos for adults". It's all just knowing where the parts go together and doing the work.
Cars that I would shy away from are:
1) flood damage (you never know the state of the electronics after that)
2) side impact (any damage to A, B, or C pillars is particularly difficult to repair)
3) rear quarterpanel damage (PITA to repair)
For the right price, I would not shy away from this car.
Without full disclosure, they are very risky. And, of course, what’s an appropriate discount for a repaired car without a warranty, particularly a Tesla that is perhaps not as wrench-monkey friendly, in some respects, as an ICE? I’d put it at about 50% of FMV but that’s just me.
I have no reason to doubt the 2/3 assessment - but I do stand by the "risky" assessment.
And, to be clear, my comments above shouldn't be interpreted as "buyers should run from rebuilt." Rather, it was that buyers should run from sellers of rebuilts who don't disclose the real, practical issues up front - prospect of no warranty; prospect of difficulty finding an insurer; prospect of manufacturer refusing to do work on the car.
A seller who discloses it all upfront and includes a history of the rebuild (as OP appears to be doing now) and sells for 2/3 (or less) of FMV of a non-rebuild is totally legitimate in my book and providing a service to educated buyers who are willing to wade into the risk pool.
Which insurers will not cover a rebuilt car? I've never had this problem. GEICO is aware of the rebuilt status of both of my cars, and covers them fully (collision plus comprehensive) and does not impose any surcharge because of the title status. The only requirement was that the DMV deem both cars "road worthy".
Rest of your points, I agree on.