2019 Leaf - 64kWh battery w/thermal management, >225mi range, 100kW fast charge

[Nuclear Fusion]

nissan-sees-leafs-competition

 

[Rob R]

Nissan are going to have to make interior upgrades (as well as the improved speed, range, and battery management) if they want to take sales from Model 3 Standard Range. Bolt, not so much, but still to be recommended.

 

[widodh]

The 11 to 22kW AC charging also seems to imply that it will get (finally! ) 3-phase AC charging in Europe. That would be awesome.

If they also ditch CHAdeMO and go for a CCS-inlet in Europe it might outsell Model 3 as it's a lot cheaper.

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

Old news.

 

[Nuclear Fusion]

Considering the recent test that showed pretty poor range drop in cold weather for the 2018 LEAF, might be a few hanging out for this.

I am mainly interested to see how a 2019 LEAF with propilot compares in price to a Model 3 standard battery with autopilot

 

[Nuclear Fusion]

Considering the recent test that showed pretty poor range drop in cold weather for the 2018 LEAF, might be a few hanging out for this.

I am mainly interested to see how a 2019 LEAF with propilot compares in price to a Model 3 standard battery with autopilot

And now also the throttled fast charging issue.
Dear, oh, dear

 

[widodh]

And now also the throttled fast charging issue.
Dear, oh, dear

We should not draw conclusions on two situations. Nissan is investigating it and there might be other things which happened here.

 

[Cheburashka]

The 2019 Leaf will have different battery tech. The current one is more of an update to the original, so I wouldn't draw conclusions from it.

 

[renim]

we can draw conclusions from both GM Bolt and Renault ZOE
(both of which use LG cells, both of which have TMS)

Ive read of reports of GM bolt charge rate is about 24kW once it hits 55%, but the graph is below
GM bolt charge rate is about 24kW once it hits 68%

Bolt EV ~150A/~55 kW max charging rate confirmed
(keep in mind GM pack size is probably a really good equivalence to Nissan LEAF pack size)

then there is the Renault ZOE
it happily eats 22kW charging, but is significantly tapered at 43kW, a comparison of 22kW and 43kW charge time demonstrates that.

one DC charge per day probably results in a faster charge time in a 40kWH LEAF than a 60kWh GM Bolt.
Its quite possibly that in going to 60kWh, the LEAF 2019 will have comparable charge rate to the GM Bolt, and slower charge rate than a LEAF 30kWh. What will improve though is that the LEAF 2019 should have a taper starting at somewhere near 100-120kW if the DC charger allows for it.

Nissan's price for 30kWh and 40kWh replacement packs are very very close to each other on a pack basis (ie 40kWh packs are 25% cheaper on a capacity basis), (and both significantly more than a 24kWh pack). It seems both packs are equally full, its just that getting the energy density up 25% results in a minor reduction of fast charge capacity.

 

[TonyWilliams]

Why would ANY auto manufacturer want to copy to Bolt EV charging hack job?

Nissan, as well as all the other EV manufacturers, know how to charge a battery.

 

[renim]

I can't speak for Nissan, but my theory is that GM Bolt is basically a 60kWh version of a 40kWh Renault. The Renault is basically a 44kw start taper, 22kW end taper chargeing car - so the GM bolt is a 66kW start taper 33kw end taper type car.

So yes, i predict TMS LG 60kWH nissan leaf will charge very similar to a GM bolt.

 

[david_42]

Certainly for the Leaf, the thermal management will be the key improvement. I'm baffled why the earlier versions didn't have it. Even when Nissan upgraded the battery pack to 41kwh, they still didn't fix the problem, in fact, it seems to have worsened.

The Leaf will have a rough time developing any consumer trust at this point.

 

[Cheburashka]

I can't speak for Nissan, but my theory is that GM Bolt is basically a 60kWh version of a 40kWh Renault. The Renault is basically a 44kw start taper, 22kW end taper chargeing car - so the GM bolt is a 66kW start taper 33kw end taper type car.

So yes, i predict TMS LG 60kWH nissan leaf will charge very similar to a GM bolt.

That makes no sense. Renault-Nissan is one company. GM is their competitor.

 

[renim]

Renault zoe and nissan leaf made many many different choices.

Renault AC chaging only VS Nissan DC centric

Renault 3 phase vs Nissan 1 phase AC

Renault outsource cell production vs nissan inhouse cell production

Renault copper synchronous motor vs nissan permanent magnet motors.

Renault turn signals left of steering wheel vs nissan turnsignals right of steering wheel.

The list goes on and on and on.

Anyway my theory is that GM bolt uses cells that LG substantally developed for Renault. I also think 2019 nissan leaf will represent learnings from both zoe and leaf.

 

[Nuclear Fusion]

Launch delayed.
Hopefully they will fix the charge throttling, which you would assume so with a proper thermal battery management system

Nissan delays launch of long-range Leaf amid scandal

 

[Nuclear Fusion]

Reports suggest that it won't have a liquid cooled battery, but still remain air cooled

60kWh Nissan LEAF to debut at CES w/100kW charging, 200 HP…we’ll be there

 

[Jeff N]

There is a mysterious live-streamed press conference happening today at around 5pm that Nissan has only promoted to its Japanese twitter followers.

The topic is about a high performance LEAF.

A link to the live stream is included in my article below:

https://electricrevs.com/2019/01/08...e-pr-event-today-for-a-high-performance-leaf/

Nissan’s Japanese language twitter account, but none of their other regional twitter accounts, posted a link for a live YouTube stream set for this afternoon to carry a press conference about a “high performance” model of the LEAF.

The time is apparently set for 5pm Pacific, although clicking the link to the video indicates the stream could start a bit earlier.

 

[Nuclear Fusion]

Nissan LEAF Plus is a speedy 214HP hatchback w/226 mile range, hits US in Spring

• 62kWh battery pack that is only 5mm bigger than the 40kWh pack in the current LEAF
• 160kW motor (215hp)
• 226 mile estimated range
• 70kW CHAdeMO charging with 100kW peak

NO THERMAL MANAGEMENT

• The battery pack cells are made by LG and are still passively cooled, which has been an issue in the past. However, Doi says Nissan has learned a lot in the almost decade of the LEAF and now believes that, even with the tighter pack, batteries will keep their capacity longer than ever. Nissan offers a 8 years/160,000 km (whichever occurs first) warranty on the battery

 

[Cheburashka]

However, Doi says Nissan has learned a lot in the almost decade of the LEAF and now believes that, even with the tighter pack, batteries will keep their capacity longer than ever. Nissan offers a 8 years/160,000 km (whichever occurs first) warranty on the battery

Oh really?

Why Nissan, why???

 

[Jeff N]

The battery pack cells are made by LG

Nope. Electrek got that bit wrong, according to Nissan.

Nissan denies reports, rumors that LG is a cell supplier for the LEAF battery

Over the past year or two there has been widespread speculation that when Nissan announced a new 60-something kWh battery upgrade it would rely on cells from LG. Not true.