I'm seeing 2019 Bolt's with less than 10k miles going for about $25k, I've been looking at 2014 Tesla S for around $30k. The payment on the Bolt would be more affordable (and it's much newer). I'd be giving up free supercharging and Tesla batteries, etc. but getting better range with the Bolt.
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2019 Used Bolt for $25k vs. 2014 Tesla S for $30k?
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But then you would be driving a bolt....
If EVs only looked (and drove) like Bolts and leafs, I would not be driving an EV. Maybe its different for you /shrug.
If EVs only looked (and drove) like Bolts and leafs, I would not be driving an EV. Maybe its different for you /shrug.
Used model 3s are not down to 25-3k yet, as far as I can see. With that being said, I would much rather have a new Model 3 SR off menu, than that used bolt, or that used model S.
A $30k S is going to cost more in repairs.
EVs do need maintenance and repairs
EVs do need maintenance and repairs
I asked a similar question on this board last summer, so you might be able to find that thread by searching. I decided against a ~$30k used MS due to lack of AP, lack of warranty, and potential repair costs. I still haven't bought anything as I'm waiting for a few things:
- Prices to fall on used 2017 Bolts. The car hasn't changed much at all since its inception, and the batteries are proving to be remarkably durable. There will be tens of thousands coming off lease starting next spring/summer, so I'm curious how low prices will fall. Personally, I'd like to grab a Premier with under 36k miles (for a bit of bumper to bumper warranty) for around $20k.
- See if prices on used M3 fall at all. If I could get into one of those for around $30k it would definitely challenge my thinking.
- Pricing and real world performance on the Rav4 Prime. Although I wanted to go full electric, with the full tax credit and the announced specs on this one, I think it's a definite competitor for my first foray into BEV.
Mweida
Member
That might not be a bad thing my s now has lost significant range and superchargeing rate is very bad.
Brando
Active Member
safety alone would put my family into Model S
How often does GM have to foul up before you stop forgiving them?
Ignition key - remember?
For a Decade, G.M. Response to a Fatal Flaw Was to Shrug
side note:
dropping Saturn
crushing EV1
after making 1,800,000 air cooled aluminum rear engine Corvairs they let Porsche have it all.
How often does GM have to foul up before you stop forgiving them?
Ignition key - remember?
For a Decade, G.M. Response to a Fatal Flaw Was to Shrug
side note:
dropping Saturn
crushing EV1
after making 1,800,000 air cooled aluminum rear engine Corvairs they let Porsche have it all.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
Lease a new Bolt. In 3 years buy a Model Y.
An out of warranty early Model S is not a bet you're likely to win.
An out of warranty early Model S is not a bet you're likely to win.
Cheburashka
Active Member
Bolt all the way.
Will have more safety features like blind spot monitoring and active cruise.
Will also have better infotainment.
And will charge faster after batterygate.
Will have more safety features like blind spot monitoring and active cruise.
Will also have better infotainment.
And will charge faster after batterygate.
rdskill
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rdskill, can you send some of your delusion about EVs being magically immune to problems my way?
In the month since I made the post you disagreed with my car has developed signs the MCU memory is on the way out.
2.5 years 30k miles.
$800 4 year maintenance
$220 12volt
$600 TPMS system failure that disabled the car
$400 battery heater that disabled the car(goodwilled)
$700 in brakes I did the labor.
$1200 front suspension work due to wear not an impact.
One of the chargers (dual) is down a phase paid them $300 to swap it to the slave position quote was $2200 to replace, car can not pull full 80amps due to this.
Now if the MCU is confirmed as on it's way out that will be another $2000.
This is all from 65-95kmiles on a well cared for car.
Love the car, no plans to get rid of it but the idea they are trouble free is an outright delusion.
Yes an electric motor is more simple than an engine and transmission, but the chargers are a lot more complex than a gas cap.
The chargegate/batterygate stuff is an issue too as it appears Tesla was aggressive with battery parameters and had to scale way back.
Software "updates" cost a lot of us 10-15miles of range and cut supercharging rates basically in half making for a big compromise in road trip worthiness.
This will be the class is S a person can get into for $30k, and based on my experience you probably need to be able to spend a couple few thousand a year on repairs after that.
Again experience not delusions of someone who bought a new car more recently.
In the month since I made the post you disagreed with my car has developed signs the MCU memory is on the way out.
2.5 years 30k miles.
$800 4 year maintenance
$220 12volt
$600 TPMS system failure that disabled the car
$400 battery heater that disabled the car(goodwilled)
$700 in brakes I did the labor.
$1200 front suspension work due to wear not an impact.
One of the chargers (dual) is down a phase paid them $300 to swap it to the slave position quote was $2200 to replace, car can not pull full 80amps due to this.
Now if the MCU is confirmed as on it's way out that will be another $2000.
This is all from 65-95kmiles on a well cared for car.
Love the car, no plans to get rid of it but the idea they are trouble free is an outright delusion.
Yes an electric motor is more simple than an engine and transmission, but the chargers are a lot more complex than a gas cap.
The chargegate/batterygate stuff is an issue too as it appears Tesla was aggressive with battery parameters and had to scale way back.
Software "updates" cost a lot of us 10-15miles of range and cut supercharging rates basically in half making for a big compromise in road trip worthiness.
This will be the class is S a person can get into for $30k, and based on my experience you probably need to be able to spend a couple few thousand a year on repairs after that.
Again experience not delusions of someone who bought a new car more recently.
rdskill
Member
I know too well they are not maintenance free. But...not all used cars have the same maintenance requirements when purchased is all I was getting at. And not all used cars are sold at a lower price for maintenance reasons.
Buying used cars is always a risk. You need both knowledge and luck. And never believe a clean Car Fax report and never buy version 1.
Tesla just raised the SC charge rate for SR+ from 100 KW to 170KW. I'd prefer it stayed at 100Kw. But I rarely have to go to those anymore and charge daily on a 20 amp outlet at work.
Buying used cars is always a risk. You need both knowledge and luck. And never believe a clean Car Fax report and never buy version 1.
Tesla just raised the SC charge rate for SR+ from 100 KW to 170KW. I'd prefer it stayed at 100Kw. But I rarely have to go to those anymore and charge daily on a 20 amp outlet at work.
roblab
Active Member
BUT, not much. As far as I know (having driven Model Ss for 7 years) there simply is not any maintenance. Other than windshield wipers and fluid, I've done nothing. Not even cleaned out the carburetor. Don't know what "repairs" would be required for an S either, unless you're fixing rock dings, and they happen even when new. And since you're saving all that money, you should be able to afford a few MINOR repairs. There isn't even brake maintenance or repair, as it uses regen so much.
I tend to agree that what you'll be looking at is the beautiful curves of an S or the, uh, boxy curves of a Bolt.
I'd like to see a list of all the MAINTENANCE and REPAIRS a $30K S will need as compared to a Bolt.
Hey, I drive a Bolt! 
Benefit of Bolt = no vandalism or theft of vehicle to worry about.
Benefit of Bolt = no vandalism or theft of vehicle to worry about.
You've never changed nor rotated the tires?
Have you forgotten about your repairs and visits to service which I've pointed to at 2017 Model 3 Reliability and Car and Driver suffers Model 3 failure on 12/25, but car told them about it remotely?
New 2020 Bolts (259 mile EPA range rating) with DC FC supposedly start at $25,235 at New Chevrolet Bolt EV Vehicles for Sale in Gaithersburg, MD - Criswell Chevrolet. I hear they're a legit dealer but I'm not on that side of the country. If legit, you could then take the $1875 Federal tax credit (Federal Tax Credits for Electric and Plug-in Hybrid Cars).
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