2020.12.5.6: Traffic Light & Stop Sign Control

[Iain]

They are pushing this one out slowly.

 

[Garlan Garner]

I haven’t checked it, but I believe this is only true if you also choose to enable the beta stop sign and traffic light feature as well.

I expect that cars with 12.6 with that feature turned off will behave the same as cars with earlier firmware.

What are you saying? will behave the same as cars with earlier firmware? What did that mean?

 

[Pa5001]

I got my vehicle yesterday and updated software overnight. It’s only on 2020.8.3

is this normal ? I have advanced update set to on.

 

[willow_hiller]

Anyone checked, new features works on standard autopilot? Not FSD?

I don't have the features myself, but the following is my understanding:

You require 1. HW3 (FSD computer). 2. FSD package. This feature will not be activated if you have HW3 but have not paid for FSD.

It's only confusing because once you have FSD and HW3, the feature is active while Autosteer or Traffic Aware Cruise Control is active. So many people still say "Autopilot can now stop at stop lights."

 

[Iain]

I got my vehicle yesterday and updated software overnight. It’s only on 2020.8.3

is this normal ? I have advanced update set to on.

Yes, I got mine in March and it was several updates behind. It wasn’t long before I got all the latest updates

 

[thodgdon66]

Installed yesterday on our black car. White still waiting. Works great!

Right out of the box a big issue is that they lowered the speed limit to the actual speed limit, not +5mph like it used to be. The +5mph was bad enough. Needs to be user selectable in a +0-15mph posted limits above 25mph. Since posted speed limits are artificially low, it makes the feature difficult to use because you’re stuck going the exact posted speed limit and traffic bunching up behind you and pissing everyone off. Hope we don’t have to live with it like this for very long.

 

[Mastequila]

Installed yesterday on our black car. White still waiting. Works great!

Right out of the box a big issue is that they lowered the speed limit to the actual speed limit, not +5mph like it used to be. The +5mph was bad enough. Needs to be user selectable in a +0-15mph posted limits above 25mph. Since posted speed limits are artificially low, it makes the feature difficult to use because you’re stuck going the exact posted speed limit and traffic bunching up behind you and pissing everyone off. Hope we don’t have to live with it like this for very long.

You realize why this is right? Imagine the headline that a Tesla causes an accident while AP engaged at 15 over the speed limit. Everyone does it but when an accident happens because someone is speeding, the blame goes squarely to them. My suggestion is get used to it. Regulators aren't going to sign off on a system that allows it to break the law. That would be ridiculous. Why have a speed limit then?

 

[MacGreiner]

You realize why this is right? Imagine the headline that a Tesla causes an accident while AP engaged at 15 over the speed limit. Everyone does it but when an accident happens because someone is speeding, the blame goes squarely to them. My suggestion is get used to it. Regulators aren't going to sign off on a system that allows it to break the law. That would be ridiculous. Why have a speed limit then?

The only problem is that you could do this previously on NOA and you can do this everyday on normal AP.

 

[SOULPEDL]

I have a simple suggestion that hopefully would make everyone happy about the NDA issue on this thread - why don't you (Garlan Garner) just start a new thread with NDA as the title? Then you could state your beliefs/thoughts, and any others interested could reply there.
That would keep threads like this (2020.12.5.6) about technical info on 2020.12.5.6.

Or in other words... get a room.

 

[MarcG]

You realize why this is right? Imagine the headline that a Tesla causes an accident while AP engaged at 15 over the speed limit. Everyone does it but when an accident happens because someone is speeding, the blame goes squarely to them. My suggestion is get used to it. Regulators aren't going to sign off on a system that allows it to break the law. That would be ridiculous. Why have a speed limit then?

Agreed. It just makes us look like the new generation of Prius drivers

 

[Saghost]

What are you saying? will behave the same as cars with earlier firmware? What did that mean?

I'm saying I think the limitation to the speed limit will only apply when the stop lights and stop signs response is enabled. But I haven't tested it yet. So you'd be left with the 5 mph limitation for non-divided roads for Autosteer that past versions had.

 

[dskid]

The camera icon at the top is so you can report incidents to Tesla. Sort of like a bug report but a snap shot of what just happened.

You mean the dashcam save icon? It doesn't report anything to Tesla...(unless something changed in the last update).

 

[AustinM3LR]

You mean the dashcam save icon? It doesn't report anything to Tesla...(unless something changed in the last update).

This is referring to the "other" camera icon that some early access users have that sends autopilot data to Tesla. You can see it to the left of the driver profile icon in the video below:

 

[dskid]

This is referring to the "other" camera icon that some early access users have that sends autopilot data to Tesla. You can see it to the left of the driver profile icon in the video below:

Oh that's pretty cool! Learn something new every day...

 

[MarcG]

I'm saying I think the limitation to the speed limit will only apply when the stop lights and stop signs response is enabled. But I haven't tested it yet. So you'd be left with the 5 mph limitation for non-divided roads for Autosteer that past versions had.

Yep, as it says in the screen enabling this feature shown below (I'm assuming you are responding to someone I've starting ignoring recently..)

 

[Garlan Garner]

I'm saying I think the limitation to the speed limit will only apply when the stop lights and stop signs response is enabled. But I haven't tested it yet. So you'd be left with the 5 mph limitation for non-divided roads for Autosteer that past versions had.

Its raining here, but I'm going out to test it right now.

 

[Garlan Garner]

This upgrade is so simple to understand and execute if you are used to Tesla's AP and yet monumental in moving towards FSD.

Its a great thing.

 

[linux-works]

so, if we don't have FSD software bit enabled (ie, paid for it), our AP can still ignore the local posted limits if the driver wants to?

the fsd guys get to try this out, but they are now limited to the speed limit. in a way, its almost better to not be fsd-enabled

 

[willow_hiller]

so, if we don't have FSD software bit enabled (ie, paid for it), our AP can still ignore the local posted limits if the driver wants to?

the fsd guys get to try this out, but they are now limited to the speed limit. in a way, its almost better to not be fsd-enabled

AP and TACC will behave as before if you choose to leave Traffic Controls disabled in the Autopilot menu. So if you have FSD you can enable it to test the feature out, and then disable it to get your 5 MPH over the speed limit on non-divided highways back.

 

[linux-works]

that's the right design choice. good

thanks for the confirmation.