Now see, this scares me. If the upcoming changes are as radical as people are saying, then like you said, resale of the current Model Y goes from great to garbage very quickly. Most manufacturers would be cognizant of such a thing, but as we all know, Tesla does what they please.
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2022 Austin Model Y vs 2021 Fremont Model Y
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CyberGus
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Are you sure? History tells otherwise. Look at the initial price of the Model S and look at the price now. Tesla has a history of cutting lower spec models, leaving only the higher end / larger battery versions remaining, which cost more. Model Y Standard range is a recent example.
That's my thinking as well, unless the competition really forces their hand. As the charging network gets better, it makes less sense to be carrying around a big, heavy, expensive battery pack. The build quality will continue to get better. We'll keep getting more features and upgraded materials. I bet we'll get a handful of new colors. (People are going to get really sick of looking at white Teslas as the volumes continue to grow.) I think the prices will hold steady or decrease.
I also think they'll start production in Austin with the 4680 cells. It would be a pain to built out the factory to produce cars without the structural battery pack and then have to shift the line over later. Of course if they can't produce enough 4680 batteries, they might have to consider doing that. I also expect the Model Y to be the first model produced in Austin. It is their volume leader, and it's something they know how to build already, so that should help them get the line moving quicker.
blissdancer
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Why won’t they also make the redesigned Y at the Fremont plant?To reply to all the questions on why I started this thread : It's because my Model 3 is awesome and the Model Y is even better, but the body structure and battery cells/pack are being redesigned in Berlin, so I'm curious what people are predicting about the characteristics of the new Y when it comes out in Berlin this year and Austin early next year. Ideally the LR version will have crazy high range, less bumpy suspension, an awesome gaming computer, and $7,000 federal tax creditYes I understand all the replies that it might be basically the same car. That's a valid point of view, but so is mine!
Exelion
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Because they’ll probably crank out 3’s exclusively from that plant. It’s more efficient to use a line to make one car than to split a line to make two cars, even though both cars share about 75% of their parts.
S/X are made there too, but those are lower volume and have been made there since 10 years ago. Dont think they’ll relocate production of those.
As Tesla’s plants start coming online, they’ll refine their processes and I think we’ll see dedicated factories producing only one or two vehicle types for the entire world.
S/X are made there too, but those are lower volume and have been made there since 10 years ago. Dont think they’ll relocate production of those.
As Tesla’s plants start coming online, they’ll refine their processes and I think we’ll see dedicated factories producing only one or two vehicle types for the entire world.
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I don't think they are going to increase the range at all with out decent price increase. There is no reason or incentive for Tesla to do it, there is no way competition is able to produce more range as they don't have the technology yet. What I believe is going to happen with 4860 is, they will keep the same range or slightly increase it to may be 350. With 4860's and the range of 350 and single piece front casting, they can produce more number of cars with a slightly smaller battery than they are using now and obviously more profit ( may be prices will be couple thousand less but not much). Elon multiples times expressed that they can not get enough batteries to build the cars so why increase the range with out any incentives. they don't have any problems selling cars with the current range anyway. Once the sales drop a little bit, then it makes sense to produce more range.
Now, the build quality, paint are going to improve tremendously. I believe that 400 and 500 range that everyone wishes for might happen with the redesign of the model y and 3 which is probably another 3 to 5 years away.
Now, the build quality, paint are going to improve tremendously. I believe that 400 and 500 range that everyone wishes for might happen with the redesign of the model y and 3 which is probably another 3 to 5 years away.
Well, Elon has said in the past that the plan is to build cars for the particular market with a plant in that market. So that implies, for example, that Gigafactory in Berlin will build all of the models for the European market. Not sure if that is still the plan but that's what he indicated.
I am always intrigued by folks who hang their hat on what if's and could-a should-a's. To each their own but what a way to live life, in constant regret and remorse? Not my cup of tea. No one here has the power to control the "curve" thus will be impossible to stay ahead of it. As soon as you think you got the latest and the greatest, there always will be something new around the corner. Not just with Tesla but with other EV models. This IS the nature of the beast. EV technology is improving everyday!
I love my Y as-is. When I am ready to trade in for a new one (another Tesla or a different EV brand), I will take comfort in that it will still have a far better than average resale value compared to other premium brands (BMW, MBZs). I will take the best I can get and slide into the new one. Simple as that.
I love my Y as-is. When I am ready to trade in for a new one (another Tesla or a different EV brand), I will take comfort in that it will still have a far better than average resale value compared to other premium brands (BMW, MBZs). I will take the best I can get and slide into the new one. Simple as that.
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I do feel regret not waiting longer after seeing the changes the 2021 models got and the potential changes in the 2022 models. The dual pane windows would have been nice and longer range batteries would be great too. At the end of the day. I bought the MY for the EV and AP. The idea of having to drive my former ICE car another year or two instead of the MY makes up for it and more. The few long drives I done in the Y has been fantastic. I would have been very grumpy in my ICE car after all the traffic I sat in. The price drop shortly after I got the MY did hurt though.
Many changes to Tesla models are unannounced and minor. Or a major change that is a sudden surprise. But for Model Y, we have known for 6 months that the core structure of the Model Y is changing during 2021 in Berlin, with front body casting, 4680 battery cells, and new body structure. Model Y will be the first vehicle produced in both Berlin and Austin. Elon Musk confirms Tesla's new structural battery and cells are first going to Model Y at Giga Berlin - Electrek
You're assuming 1) that Gigafactory Berlin will come on line in 2021 (permit issues) and 2) that Elon's confirmation is correct (see: refreshed Model S/X deliveries in February 2021 - none delivered yet; still awaiting the 'fire' holiday 2020 update; all of his tweets and comments about FSD being fully autonomous by now). My point is, don't confuse his tweets and comments as hard-and-fast project plans. Especially in an article from October 2020. Just sayin'...
Major updates in the past 3 days:
1) Model Y front body casting machine set up in Austin, new front castings photo posted on Electrek.
2) Elon confirmed today on Twitter that Austin will start production with the new 4680 battery cells!
3) Elon called it the "next gen Model Y" on Twitter today!
Looking very good for the March 2022 Austin Model Y. Rigid body, lighter weight, million mile motor and battery. Will it have a new suspension and new GPU gaming chip and HW4 for FSD? And Biden EV tax credit in place by then?
1) Model Y front body casting machine set up in Austin, new front castings photo posted on Electrek.
2) Elon confirmed today on Twitter that Austin will start production with the new 4680 battery cells!
3) Elon called it the "next gen Model Y" on Twitter today!
Looking very good for the March 2022 Austin Model Y. Rigid body, lighter weight, million mile motor and battery. Will it have a new suspension and new GPU gaming chip and HW4 for FSD? And Biden EV tax credit in place by then?
Austin Model Y will have a very slim chance to achieve better torsional rigidity - the key point is not at the local rigidity of the front bulkhead or rear bulkhead (which is improved by the one-piece-casting method); instead, the weak area is in the middle section of the car body that "connects" the front and rear. See my analysis here, as long as the fundamentals are not changed (adding a "transmission tunnel" or some equivalent load-bearing structure in the vehicle's floorpan), Model 3/Y's torsional rigidity won't improve:
teslamotorsclub.com
On the contrary, given the same road impact forces applied to the suspension, a stronger front/rear subframe will instead transfer more stress into the middle section, which makes the middle of the car body easier to twist/flex.
Model Y road noise/rumble primary cause
One of the root causes: relatively weak static and dynamic torsional rigidity. This problem is not specifically for MY, it also applies to all current Tesla models more or less. Unless Tesla completely revised the design from the ground up, this architecture-level issue cannot be solved simply...
teslamotorsclub.com
On the contrary, given the same road impact forces applied to the suspension, a stronger front/rear subframe will instead transfer more stress into the middle section, which makes the middle of the car body easier to twist/flex.
I really wish we get a LR+ with up to 410 miles of range and the 1 million mile warranty. I would be willing to pay $5-8k more for the range. We could look at it this way the federal credit will pay this fee so the price increases but consumer cost stays the same…
Also once Austin is open and making MY they will close Fremont to update the lines. It makes no sense to make the same car with varying SKU by location in the same country.
Also once Austin is open and making MY they will close Fremont to update the lines. It makes no sense to make the same car with varying SKU by location in the same country.
CyberGus
Not Just a Member
Except Elon has insinuated that the ATX MY will feature the 4680 batteries, which suggests the structural battery pack. Shouldn't that improve longitudinal stiffness?
I had this same struggle when I decided to take delivery of my MY last June. I've enjoyed the car so much over this past year that I can say, without hesitation, I'm glad I didn't wait. With the rapid improvements all Tesla models have enjoyed over the years, logic will tell you that the old model values will plummet. Who would pay top dollar for a 2-3 year old car with inferior tech??? Well, just look at the prices for used Teslas over the years. For whatever reason, used Tesla cars hold their value quite well.
Tesla dropping the price of a new model hurts the resale value of an older model (naturally), but the newer tech doesn't seem to negatively impact it much.
My advice is to buy the car when you want to and enjoy it.
Tesla dropping the price of a new model hurts the resale value of an older model (naturally), but the newer tech doesn't seem to negatively impact it much.
My advice is to buy the car when you want to and enjoy it.
What type of battery inside the pack is less irrelevant (minimal change to rigidity) - unless it adds a transmission tunnel-like load component into the passenger cabin frame/floor pan; or use new materials which are extremely resistant to twist/flex (very hard but brittle - for example, carbon fiber).
All these will require a significant increase of difficulty in the build process and also higher cost. Also considering the fact with the current design, there is already way more demand than supply, highly doubt tesla will be motivated to do this.
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