So S/X line is down for re-tooling for the 2023 changes ... resuming in a few weeks ...
Any other speculation on what other changes we'll see?
What about HW4?
Any other speculation on what other changes we'll see?
What about HW4?
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2023 Retooling Window ...
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Verified:
* Bigger rear infotainment
* Bigger rear brake calipers
* No "T" logo on back
Wishlist:
* Center horn
* HW4
Operator64
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I'd pay just to have my horn back as the airbag. Living in a city with 50% bad drivers, honking is a necessity & it's a bit hard to do with a 3/8" button without taking your focus off the road.
Hmm... wonder why they are "down for tooling for a few weeks" according to them?
Operator64
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Not sure, maybe its An easier explanation for analysts to understand without them blowing things up into something it’s not like they usually do
Also, as far as the new brakes, some say this is a downgrade because they are not using Brembo anymore.
electrek.co
Tesla clandestinely downgrades performance brakes, adds cover to hide it
Tesla has sneakily downgraded its performance breaks on the Model Y Performance and even put a cover to hide the change in a deceptive move.
electrek.co
I saw that, not the same as the Plaid upgraded calipers ... no idea who makes them but they are much bigger on the rear ...
Also, as far as the new brakes, some say this is a downgrade because they are not using Brembo anymore.
Tesla clandestinely downgrades performance brakes, adds cover to hide it
Tesla has sneakily downgraded its performance breaks on the Model Y Performance and even put a cover to hide the change in a deceptive move.
Name brand is irrelevant. Plaid brake pads suck massively & they are pads made by Brembo. Swap those pads out with a set of PFC pads from unplugged, and your car will instantly stop faster like it should from the factory.
I agree, brand doesn't matter. 2mm thinner rotors, smaller pads and covering them to look like the old brakes doesn't give me much confidence that Tesla is only improving the brakes. The article is mainly about the Y brake changes being spotted, so there is that. Time will tell if the S Performance brakes are improvement, or just cost cutting.
I won't defend the move from Tesla, but closed pot and open pot calipers make no difference. Both are single piston rear brakes and the caliper cover *should* help dissipate the heat pretty close to a closed pot setup.
With identical brakes though, you have to start looking at what you're really getting for that extra $10k or whatever it is now.
That might not be an ideal solution. High performance pads tend to generate more brake dust, squeal more, need warm-up, and more aggressive on rotors. Would be nicer if Tesla just went with a bigger rotor, caliper, and more pistons.
I have an old rice rocket with 4-piston Stoptech big brake kit. It stops on a dime, stops mediocre when cold, generates a ridciulous amount of brake dust, and eats my rotor.
They're street pads, they sell different track pads for that reason. Also, I don't care about rotor or pad wear, I'd rather have my car stop properly and replace parts as needed. It did not do that from the factory.
Model S / Plaid UP x PFC High Performance Brake Pads
The Tesla Model S / Plaid UP x PFC High Performance Brake Pads (for OEM Rotors) are designed to improve braking performance with OEM rotors on your vehicle
unpluggedperformance.com
They do advertise these as "street + track day" pads.
Meaning you can use them for an occasional track day but they won't hold up to real track abuse.Model S / Plaid UP x PFC High Performance Brake Pads
The Tesla Model S / Plaid UP x PFC High Performance Brake Pads (for OEM Rotors) are designed to improve braking performance with OEM rotors on your vehicle
They do advertise these as "street + track day" pads.
I can tell you that they do like more heat that the OEM pads, but it doesn't take much at all. When cold they stop a little better than OEM, but after just a little bit of heat they will nosedive your car and stop on a dime. I had to upgrade my rotors too, but that's just because of a desert thing - otherwise I would have left the OEM rotors on there. Here there's an issue with a ton of dust and gunk building up on the pads and I needed a slotted rotor to keep the pads cleaned off. But that is the case with any car I've owned here, not just Tesla. Easy to ruin a rotor when you're doing a hard brake from 150+ with gummed up pads.
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