Hello friends,
Looking for your best guesses, prognostications, and projections of when you think they will start installing 2170 battery cells into the Model S. We've all heard the news about Panasonic wanting to stop shipping the older 18650 cells from Japan, and only ship the 2170s. Even as a current Model S owner, there couldn't be better news. Outside of Tesla making a 150 or 200 KW battery pack, converting the 100kw pack to use 2170 cells would make my day! It opens up v3 supercharging, give us longer battery life, and would finally justify the higher cost of the Model S, as it compares with the Model 3.
I understand it would take a little bit of redesign because of the taller cells, which would make for a slightly thicker pack to put in the floor. But it would seem from my quite uninformed perspective (which isn't qualified for sure!) that the little bit of engineering and manufacturing effort would be child's play for Tesla engineers. At least very small as compared to redesigning a larger battery pack like the roadster at 200 KW. I have an inkling that they'll be doing that 200kw pack in 2021 anyway, after they get enough Roadster orders .
I'm very encouraged that changes maybe happening much sooner for the Model S, considering the news from Panasonic and that combined with the highly needed justification for the higher price tag. They could easily do that by swapping out the cells to 2170. They’ve already started the justification journey by changing out the front motor, adding better suspension, better bearings, etc last week. It it would seem they are amenable to making more changes to justify the Model S cost. And it can all happen without any major cost change like a redesign would. I’m sure some of you will argue that this is a redesign. And my answer would be they’ve already done that by putting in a different motor, changing the wheel bearings and suspension. So I agree any changes are a redesign. It’s a matter of degrees.
Sales of the model S have taken a huge hit and personally I think the model three is a much better value at this point. Making the changes last week has definitely helped but they’re not quite there yet in my opinion. I know all will be well after a redesign, but who knows how long that’ll be considering model Y, Model P (pickup), Semi, and Roadster upcoming. It seems prudent to go ahead and make the 2170 cell changes right away, as well a few interior design changes.
Bottom line, they really need to work on separating the value distances of their flagship car to the Model 3/Y. The sooner they do that the better. Elon should consider announcing the 2170 pack replacement of the Model S and X during the pickup truck reveal. It would definitely pick up sales and increase the value of the stock immensely.
Anyway… I'm a somewhat of a Tesla fan boy and itching to place an order today for the 370 mile range model S and can help but wonder if they’re working on 2170 project. I think they could totally do that by July of this year, at least within six months. I'm very much looking forward to replacing my 2015 P90D.
What are your thoughts? Do you agree that this is a great short-term solution to their sales problem?
Looking for your best guesses, prognostications, and projections of when you think they will start installing 2170 battery cells into the Model S. We've all heard the news about Panasonic wanting to stop shipping the older 18650 cells from Japan, and only ship the 2170s. Even as a current Model S owner, there couldn't be better news. Outside of Tesla making a 150 or 200 KW battery pack, converting the 100kw pack to use 2170 cells would make my day! It opens up v3 supercharging, give us longer battery life, and would finally justify the higher cost of the Model S, as it compares with the Model 3.
I understand it would take a little bit of redesign because of the taller cells, which would make for a slightly thicker pack to put in the floor. But it would seem from my quite uninformed perspective (which isn't qualified for sure!) that the little bit of engineering and manufacturing effort would be child's play for Tesla engineers. At least very small as compared to redesigning a larger battery pack like the roadster at 200 KW. I have an inkling that they'll be doing that 200kw pack in 2021 anyway, after they get enough Roadster orders .
I'm very encouraged that changes maybe happening much sooner for the Model S, considering the news from Panasonic and that combined with the highly needed justification for the higher price tag. They could easily do that by swapping out the cells to 2170. They’ve already started the justification journey by changing out the front motor, adding better suspension, better bearings, etc last week. It it would seem they are amenable to making more changes to justify the Model S cost. And it can all happen without any major cost change like a redesign would. I’m sure some of you will argue that this is a redesign. And my answer would be they’ve already done that by putting in a different motor, changing the wheel bearings and suspension. So I agree any changes are a redesign. It’s a matter of degrees.
Sales of the model S have taken a huge hit and personally I think the model three is a much better value at this point. Making the changes last week has definitely helped but they’re not quite there yet in my opinion. I know all will be well after a redesign, but who knows how long that’ll be considering model Y, Model P (pickup), Semi, and Roadster upcoming. It seems prudent to go ahead and make the 2170 cell changes right away, as well a few interior design changes.
Bottom line, they really need to work on separating the value distances of their flagship car to the Model 3/Y. The sooner they do that the better. Elon should consider announcing the 2170 pack replacement of the Model S and X during the pickup truck reveal. It would definitely pick up sales and increase the value of the stock immensely.
Anyway… I'm a somewhat of a Tesla fan boy and itching to place an order today for the 370 mile range model S and can help but wonder if they’re working on 2170 project. I think they could totally do that by July of this year, at least within six months. I'm very much looking forward to replacing my 2015 P90D.
What are your thoughts? Do you agree that this is a great short-term solution to their sales problem?
