On my car, summon isn't working. I know the zealots in here go mental when someone criticises Tesla, but the service technician said straight out that it should work in the spot where I demonstrated, and the app couldn't even connect to the car. My TM3 is right next to several other Tesla's, but mine is the only one without a connection
It's almost like there's something wrong with YOUR specific car, not the overall system....
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What's really bullshit is people who will justify literally broken features with memorized statements about beta-features.
Dude...
you just admitted the problem is not the feature, it's your specific car
I agree there's bullshit here, but you're off a bit on where.
If you pay $5.5k for features that in a period of 8 months do not work then it's OK to be pissed
100%
Absolutely.
Poor service is poor service- and your car should work as it's actually supposed to work. I don't disagree on that point AT ALL and probably the worst part of Tesla is their general incompetence as a "corporation" (communication, internal IT, service, etc).
But none of that justifies blaming the feature set in general- that you admit works on the OTHER cars there.
Here is a complete list of things working and not working on my car, including things that everyone are struggling with.
See here comes the bullshit you mentioned.
your car is having these problems.
But not
everyone is.
Relative to # of cars, very very few folks are having
any of these problems.
If "everyone" were Tesla would be out of business by now.
Mine starts every time.
- Car accelerates really fast
Uh... that's a feature, not a problem. Put it in chill mode if you dislike this feature.
Car understeers a lot for an AWD. Which I don't mind, it's fun (but not effective)
Not sure I even understand this remark... most cars understeer from the factory because it's safer than oversteer as a failure mode. You can "fix" this with aftermarket suspension parts pretty easily but this isn't a thing that's "not working" at all so weird it's on this list.
TACC works most of the time, but will emergency brake for things that aren't there. Will also revert to CC only if there's medium rain or snow
I've never had actual
emergency braking engage with nothing in front of me. Ever.
Nor ever seen TACC ever change to just dumb CC in any weather.
I HAVE had advanced features become unavailable in really bad weather- not switch to regular CC. I am not aware that's even possible.
Lane assist works brilliantly most of the time, but will steer sharp to the right if lanes merge without markings.
The owners manual explicitly calls this out as a feature limitation (though having had the car over a year now I've seen behavior improve significantly for spots it loses line markings for a bit... though guessing at lane merge/sizing changes that are totally unmarked is a whole nother level of difficulty)
App cannot wake the car a lot of the time. Even Tesla roadside assistance cannot get in touch with the car.
- Phone as a key works semi-good. Tested with 7 different phones with power saving turned off, location and radio scanning turned on (always, not only when active)
- Summon doesn't even work in an empty parking lot. On my car it's just a function which turns the headlights on for 5 seconds.
These again appear to be issues specific to your car. I've experienced none of em....
(though I rarely use summon as while it "works" it's very slow so not really worth bothering with at this stage).
At all? Again- something wrong with your car.
They work fine (for varying values of fine) depending on individual people and the weather they're having- and have gotten significantly better in the last year.
They're not as good as the ones in my previous Lexus (which unlike Tesla used a rain sensor)- but they're mostly fine 95% of the time nowadays, and the occasional stalk-press seems to be fine the other 5%.
Supposedly the new SW rolling out right now is a major upgrade to this too.
Navigate on autopilot works for off-ramps on highways. Will pester me about switching lanes up to 59km before the exit. Pressing cancel 10-15 times will make it go away
Works on-ramp to off-ramp here in almost all locations I've ever used it... once in a while (much less often than at first launch) I get an "unsupported exit" type message for a specific spot- but often it's good to go with no intervention at all on my part for hundreds of miles at a time.
(not sure what the speed remark is about- I've never seen a speed-related NoA message of any kind)
Pre-heating doesn't work most of the time, because the car cannot wake up
Again issue sees specific to your, clearly-something-wrong-probably-the-modem, car.
- They forgot to make lumbar support able to save to drivers profile
They didn't forget- AFAIK it's just air bladders so way to "remember" the setting.
This is
not unique to Tesla
http://m.acura.com/pdf/owners/2018/NSX/2018_NSX_Personalized_Settings.pdf
That's for a 2018 Acura NSX- a car that costs roughly three to five times more than any version of the Model 3.
Acura manual said:
Driving Position Memory System*
You can store two driver’s seat positions (except for power lumbar)
- Lane departure assist does not work. Neither warn/chime nor assist.
Again something wrong with your car.
Only screen in car sometimes blacks out. Have to stop and reboot the car to get a speedometer
You don't have to stop the car to reboot the screen. In over a year of ownership I've had the screen crash twice, ever- and both times quickly and easily rebooted while driving.
In fact having AP engaged while rebooting still continues to steer and apply TACC just fine (since they're run on a different computer than the screen is).
- Emergency braking for pedestrians does not work, drove straight into a ghost person yesterday
Again you appear to have never read the actual manual.
Model 3 owners manual said:
Collision Avoidance features cannot always detect all objects, vehicles, bikes, or pedestrians
The manual repeatedly makes it clear around all driver aids that it's not infallible and you need to remain paying close attention to the road and what is around your vehicle.
These same cautions exist on all driver aids from all car makers- again it's not unique to Tesla.
Also if you frequently encounter ghost persons you should contact Dr. Venkman.
That means that either my car is messed up beyond what is normal, or those tests do not reflect real life scenarios.
Given you've explicitly told us Tesla said your car is not working properly- it's pretty obviously the first one.
(also given all those tests I posted were all done in different scenarios by different testing organizations at different times-all of them finding Teslas driver aids significantly more capable than anyone elses- also suggest the problem is with your car specifically).
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I almost get rear-ended every time I use autopilot on the highway because of ghost breaking. I can't use it in stop-and-go traffic because get stuck while people pull in, and those behind me are honking like mad.
I've got over 13,000 miles on my Model 3, probably 90% of that on autopilot... I've never had "ghost breaking"
Occasionally it guesses wrong about what's up ahead and slows down when it probably doesn't need to- but there's always an obvious and visible reason it does it and it's pretty rare it happens at all.
If you get it "every time" there's something wrong with your car.
We already knew that though since Tesla specifically told you it's not working in places it should work.
It's not important how Tesla compares to other car companies.
I mean, my post was literally in reply to someone discussing how Tesla compares to other car companies so it did seem like they felt it was important.
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The test is against a subjective standard of consumers being comfortable using it as well as an objective test of safety.
As Yoda said, “Do or do not. There is no try.”
Well, all available data shows it's objectively safer than not using it, so they're doing well there too.
Most recent for example-
In the 3rd quarter, Tesla registered one accident for every 4.34 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged.
For those driving without Autopilot but with Tesla active safety features engaged, Tesla registered one accident for every 2.70 million miles driven.
For those driving without Autopilot and without Tesla active safety features engaged, Tesla registered one accident for every 1.82 million miles driven.
By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 498,000 miles across all models of vehicle.
