Petra
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Tires are the other issue... Michelin makes a special version of the PS4S for Tesla in 235/35R20 (treadwear 500 vs. 300 for the retail version, with foam installed for noise reduction).
275/30/20 Front tires on Model 3 Performance??
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Thomas Edison
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And they can just as easily do the same for the 275. I'm not saying they are doing staggered, we just don't know either way yet. I'm saying it would be really easy based on what's already been developed. Like I said before, top of the line m3 and the option offers exclusivity and a functional benefit.
They may have put 235s square on the car, but those engineers don’t legitimately think that car will be faster around a track than something like an M3, which has 255 & 275 wide tires on the base model and is also 500lb lighter.
Honestly, I’m just disappointed because it looks like they made decisions biased towards efficiency instead of track performance. I hope I’m wrong, but I just don’t see how a stock Model 3PP will match a stock M3 on a track.
JADCa
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AWD, lower cg, better acceleration are a few ways the Tesla could beat the m3 BMW. Too early to know.
ℬête Noire
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Is BMW still going to offer an AWD option on the M3 (EDIT: released in 2019, so that'd make it the 2020 M3)? That could blunt the advantage to some extent, although it'll be at something of a weight cost.
Knightshade
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Entirely possible (though depending on how alpha the rest of the car was when they made them they might not even fit the production vehicle).
That has nothing to do with being off the shelf or not though.
Wait- you think every time somebody ordered ONE set of the 20s they've had on the website since March that they submit one order to the wheel manufacturer, and they build and ship one set of wheels?
Of course that's not how they do it.
They have a supply chain that insures they have a stock of wheels similar to expectations of demand- they have part numbers in their system for those wheels- they have ordering and fulfilment systems in place to get those wheels from the MFG to the customers or the service centers as needed.
every time you add a part number to a supply chain it requires a fair bit of time, effort, and cost. And as mentioned you'd also need new PNs for the custom tires in that size too.
So no, it's really, really, not "off the shelf" to take something you have a couple of prototypes of from a year or two ago and make them a production part.
Can you explain why they didn't do it then, if it's, according to you, incredibly easy, adds no cost, and is better in every way?
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Thomas Edison
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Assuming it's not against forum rules to bet, I'll put $100 down on them making them staggered on the performance package.
You're digging too deep into my point of them ordering wheels. Clearly they have some on hand when they place an order from the wheel manufacturer. They need to fill customer orders somehow.
I guess we will find out soon, as showrooms are receiving their demo cars: r/teslamotors - We’ve received our first Performance Model 3.
Thomas Edison
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You said that I think they order one set at a time then later in the same reply quoted me saying 1000 wheels..... just saying
Not staggered apparently
r/teslamotors - We’ve received our first Performance Model 3.
r/teslamotors - We’ve received our first Performance Model 3.
Thomas Edison
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Knightshade
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Yes, because in your original post you said "they don't have them stockpiled" then claimed they order them 2000 at a time...just saying...
Sweet, you owe me $100!
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Thomas Edison
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Yes, because in your original post you said "they don't have them stockpiled" then claimed they order them 2000 at a time...just saying...
Sweet, you owe me $100!
When I said "stock pile to pull from" I mean the it like that's all they had (Couldn't order more). So maybe I could have worded it better. But regardless saying they order 2000 at a time proves that the the one at a time thing wasn't even implied on my part as you stated. Either way my guess was wrong.
When you say off the shelf you are referring to what the manufacture can produce at a moments notice right? (Based on what tesla orders). That is in no way an indicator of if they could choose to start making the 10s that we already know they have made. That's the point I was making. Sorry if I'm not as well spoken or clear as others on here. I've literally been on a tractor all day while writing on this.
Too bad you didn't accept my wager before we found out. I would have paid. That was a really small window though.
JADCa
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The reason for stagger is to correct for poor balance. Hopefully the square setup means it was not needed for optimal handling.
Knightshade
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I mean- it kind of is.
Because the few made for alpha prototypes would be one-off orders, they wouldn't be in their system as "real" production parts.
They'd never, ever, have needed to put them into the normal ordering/supply chain process, nor the systems service centers use to obtain parts, nor the system that keeps track of inventory/costs/etc.
Changing from a prototype non-release part to a production part is costly, and takes time and work, across multiple systems in a business.
Add the tire issue- becuase I'm sure the alpha prototype was using an off-the-shelf version of the tire, not the custom one Tesla had Michelin make for the "production" 20s... so now they've got another new part they not only need to strike a deal with Michelin to even make (and cost and ship) they have to add to all those other supply chain systems I mention.
To do that the person in the company who thinks it is a good idea needs to present a business case showing it makes sense to do that instead of just using the parts they already have in the system.
Obviously either nobody felt the need to make that case, or they were unable to do so.
Too bad you didn't accept my wager before we found out. I would have paid. That was a really small window though.
Apparently my diner tonight was most costly than I realized!
Why? Staggered wheels are silly IMO. The rears usually look better than the front since they are wider and have more offset.
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Thomas Edison
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Preference. I've always preferred the look, and think the P85Ds that had the staggered set looked better than those without. Otherwise the rears look sunken in.
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