Interesting about the lack of information from a DS for this unfortunate guy - I got a loaner with TACC recently (my car is a "sensorless" classic S) and was playing with it. I made a similar assumption to the OP that it would work reliably in stop and go traffic, but once it was slow to recognize traffic stopped and the collision avoidance system kicked in - fortunately I was able to stop, but I think it would be a good idea to educate new loaner drivers about this issue.
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My friend was rear ended and after many years still have spine problem. I am somehow surprised that Tesla did not disable this "expert" level, and not really ready for general public future, as demonstrated in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X2ftEXG7IE . Watching all the pain that my friend is still experiencing, I wish manufacturers do not play with my safety. I only wish that new future is implemented once is ready for general public, and safe for all.
Ah, yes, the most misunderstood lawsuit in history comes up again....
I really, really wish people would watch "Hot Coffee" and get a clue about what the McD's coffee case was really about.
For now, these might suffice?
https://www.caoc.org/index.cfm?pg=facts
HOT COFFEE, a documentary feature film
Thx.
What DS? This was an import through a third party.
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Nonsense.
From the Tesla website:
Some posters are suggesting that even without the TACC functioning that automatic emergency braking should have mitigated the situation.
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I am not sure what you call nonsense;
that lady was shock that Tesla P85D did not stop as she expected to, and guy commented that the car did not want to stop https://youtu.be/0X2ftEXG7IE ,
many people die after being rear ended,
it is car manufacturers responsibility to assure that cars are safe to operate and do not kill innocent people by testing and retesting till completely sure it is safe for everybody that is using the road,
we need car futures that confuse people?
My remarks said nothing about avoiding an accident. I used the wording mitigated. I was merely making the point that other Autopilot features beside TACC were being discussed by other in this thread in response to the remark, "The Autopilot software is not yet released, only the TACC feature which is being discussed in this thread."
Larry
JohnSnowNW
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There is a huge difference between a vehicle not operating as designed, and someone not operating the vehicle as designed. The latter is the case here, and in your examples.
The person in question was using CRUISE CONTROL on surface streets with cross traffic and lights. If you choose to operate a vehicle outside its designed and intended use, that's 100% on you. No different than deciding not to wear a seatbelt, or failing to maintain your brakes. What people seem to be doing is treating 4000 pound killing machines as toys and that's the problem.
I still think is confusing based on this Collision Avoidance Demonstration starting at 2:45. I assume this person know what is saying and in his case car stopped in city driving. To me it seems that sometime will work sometimes may not.
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As I understand it collision avoidance is merely a warning to you, not an action the car takes at this point. This is different from emergency braking, which will only fire if the car thinks an accident is close to unavoidable and is not intended to avoid a collision, merely mitigate the impact.
Read the fine manual, none of this is confusing. And for God's sake, if you *are* confused, don't use features you don't understand!
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As demonstrated in 2 videos and other reports it is confusing to Tesla drivers.
Please do not use TACC, this is something that is great to have, but better not use it, typical for luxury cars.
Ok. I'll stop using something that I have had zero issues with over a thousand miles of driving because I know the limitations.
Canuck
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The only cause of this accident is the OP not paying attention. I know the big screen can be distracting, and that's especially so when you first get the car. I find it disturbing that the OP posted pictures taken from the driver's seat while the vehicle was in motion. That makes the accident the next day, according to the pictures, not surprising at all. I had to tell myself not to use the screen when driving except when necessary: to defrost, change a song, and such, but that's about it.
This should be a lesson to everyone new who is getting this car. Sit in your driveway and play with everything but don't do so while driving, don't take pictures while driving and keep your eyes on the road. If you don't do that and have an accident, don't try saying that you expected the car to prevent that. It just makes you look bad.
I feel sorry for the person the OP hit. I hope everyone in that vehicle is okay, as with the OP and his occupants.
This should be a lesson to everyone new who is getting this car. Sit in your driveway and play with everything but don't do so while driving, don't take pictures while driving and keep your eyes on the road. If you don't do that and have an accident, don't try saying that you expected the car to prevent that. It just makes you look bad.
I feel sorry for the person the OP hit. I hope everyone in that vehicle is okay, as with the OP and his occupants.
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