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I don't think it will happen this year but I think they can pull it off in this decade.
Well, holding the lane when going into a turn too fast. Sorry for not being more clear. Even then it's probably too late to do anything at that point. This is for when you use AP on roads Tesla tells you to not use it on.Of course... you can even see it at work on cars that have track mode...not entirely sure how you're thinking it could help with holding a lane though
I'm impressed by the amount of realism in this thread.
Which EVs have better autostreer/lane-keep? I know it’s not the Audi or Porsche.I agree no holding back here. The majority seem to feel this will not happen which is the sensible side to be on given the current software examples. Autopilot is not as good as other car offerings for doing the sole task of keeping the car in the lanes selected and at the speed required by reading actual road signs. Until of course this apparent software rewrite. Its still the electric car to beat in other area's but the car struggles on the one big thing its meant to be good at and sold at great cost to access autonomy. This post is also an eye opener for the much longer invested users in the technology. So far things have not moved hardly at all. I find it hard to wrap my head around a vision based system just like a human. If your eye is blocked by the sun how do you see the danger to take action? Its going to be an interesting few years to see who wins the race here. I would like to see a cheaper Tesla for all, I do not think the model 3 is cheap enough to really save this planet and make everyone turn. Need a model E to start S3XY"e"r. Small runabout that does 250miles+ for say 20K.
The whole point is that the car will do it better than a human to become safer. As of today that is 2030. Being optimistic 2025. Being on Elon time 2020 Christmas coming early.
You list some perfectly valid missed promises... but he did not promise that.
Which EVs have better autostreer/lane-keep? I know it’s not the Audi or Porsche.
Imo you’re right about cost. Paying such a premium for acceleration and range makes more sense for personal car use than FSD.
Granted, it is/will be new tech, which is in the premium car space, but as FSD becomes more prolific, it’ll be tough to justify spending more on a car with a spartan interior.
A few points here. First, no other car on the market is able to automatically stop and go at stoplights, only Tesla. That shows real progress against the competition. Second, no other carmaker is using Tesla's approach of visual identification and neural networks for FSD and if they are, they don't have nearly as much real world training. Musk has also said that they are rewriting this code to switch from 2D to 3D identification. This feature is also clearly labeled as Beta software. YMMV, but I bought this car and this feature knowing that this stuff isn't a finished product and part of the fun of owning a Tesla is being in the edge and getting to test things out. Yeah it brakes when it shouldn't and some things don't work well. It's a brand new technology and it takes a while to get it right. If it was easy, it would have been done already. Timelines don't mean anything because until you hit the point where improvements happen exponentially, the progress is going to seem glacial for any technology. If you don't have the patience to be an early adopter, then don't buy the car or those features. It's really that simple.
There’s undoubtedly a different manufacturing approach.Or is it because the other car manufacturers will not put people behind the wheel of beta autonomy? Maybe they do not feel its ready or safe enough yet to have their fleet doing FSD? I do not actually think if you drive other cars with road autonomy Tesla are in front with anything unless you like the potential hazardous bugs, like posted in my video earlier in this post. Traffic lights still require human say so?
FWIW I recently (couple months back anyway) drove a 2020 Kia with LKA.
Maybe it's different in the UK, but it was complete garbage compared to AP on a Tesla.
It couldn't be turned on at all under I think 40 mph, it ping-ponged noticeably in comparison, and it'd randomly turn off with no notice of the fact it did besides the color on dash indicator changing (nothing audible) and for no apparently reason- and did so numerous times in only a few hundred miles of driving.
Here's Bjorn BTW testing the Hyundai/KIA LKA system and finding it... not great...compared to Teslas system
His experience was even worse than mine honestly
Or is it because the other car manufacturers will not put people behind the wheel of beta autonomy? Maybe they do not feel its ready or safe enough yet to have their fleet doing FSD? I do not actually think if you drive other cars with road autonomy Tesla are in front with anything unless you like the potential hazardous bugs, like posted in my video earlier in this post. Traffic lights still require human say so?
Tesla's argument has always been that its system will outperform these in the long run because it is capable of learning and making decisions on the fly.
needs people to use it's systems to make them better.
LKA should not be compared to Tesla's EAD. The lane keep assist systems just assist you, they don't drive the highway for you. They all bounce around because that's how they work. They sense a line on the right, they steer left and then the same thing on the other side.
Supercruise would be a better comparison.
Given how poor some of Tesla’s current driver assistance features are, it may seem like they’re far off. But the fact they’re still using antiquated code for things like park assist is in some ways encouraging. For whatever reason, they haven’t even tried to give quality updates to sub-features, so I’m optimistic a big leap could occur in the near future.
A new software rewrite that isn’t piecemeal code representing a patchworked evolution of features should help a lot.
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Stating Tesla’s FSD system is “capable of learning and making decisions on the fly” isn’t the same as saying one’s car is “learning on the fly”.Teslas system does not learn on the fly though.
The only time behavior changes is with a firmware update from the mothership.
Right, which needs people to use its system Ike the poster said.Most Tesla data collection is done passively via campaigns- regardless of what the human behind the wheel is doing, or what version of driver assists he paid for.... the bulk of it is just to collect pictures with the cameras to use to train the master NNs back at HQ.