500e, Spark EV, Leaf. Which one for Delivery Car?

[cwerdna]

Sorry. Forgot about the Bolt oddly. It's the longest range of that whole fleet of first generation EVs, of which I didn't consumer the Bolt a member.

Well, GM had the lease only EV1 that became available in (apparently) late 1996. Darell's Electric Vehicle Page has a link to his video at

of his 97 EV1. Amazing that it had 6.6 kW charging and that EVs that came much later (e.g. 2010) share some similarities.

GM also had the CA (and later OR) only Spark EV, which was discontinued in favor of the Bolt. I wouldn't really call the Bolt a 1st generation EV.

Besides the above, there were # of CA only EVs around that time like the Toyota RAV4 EV - Wikipedia, Honda EV Plus - Wikipedia and NISSAN | ZERO EMISSION | History | Altra EV (called the R’nessa EV in Japan). I've never personally seen the latter two.

 

[wycolo]

EVs are good to tow small trailers due to their 'equal' weight on rear axle, high motor torque and added braking via regen.
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[Bangor Bob]

Bolt is EPA rated at 238 miles.

Not many used examples around $7k available yet...

 

[McRat]

Not many used examples around $7k available yet...

Correctomundo. Cheap car, stored in warehouse, think of it as shop equipment.

However, we might pick up JPL as a customer, which requires 98 miles of range with unknown part sizes. We are still at the negotiation phase.

 

[Xminus6]

Well, GM had the lease only EV1 that became available in (apparently) late 1996. Darell's Electric Vehicle Page has a link to his video at

of his 97 EV1. Amazing that it had 6.6 kW charging and that EVs that came much later (e.g. 2010) share some similarities.

GM also had the CA (and later OR) only Spark EV, which was discontinued in favor of the Bolt. I wouldn't really call the Bolt a 1st generation EV.

Besides the above, there were # of CA only EVs around that time like the Toyota RAV4 EV - Wikipedia, Honda EV Plus - Wikipedia and NISSAN | ZERO EMISSION | History | Altra EV (called the R’nessa EV in Japan). I've never personally seen the latter two.

Yeah I'm familiar with the history of EVs. My point was that people were talking about the recent wave is EVs coming off lease that are all 100 miles range or so. That whole group feels more like EV 1.0 while the EV1 might be considered more of a beta. Haha.

 

[Tex EV]

Just sold my 2014 Spark EV last month after 2 years with it. I was regularly getting around 100 miles per charge. Charge rate on L2 topped out at 3.3kW. Mine had the optional CCS quick charge port that I used a couple of times when going outside of my regular commute. Could see a 6' object fitting, resting on the dashboard and going between the front seats. There was a guy on the Facebook Volt group who had a fleet of Spark EVs for his car parts business... that's right, a fleet of EVs for delivering ICE parts . Loved it.

 

[gene]

My son was able to put his 8 foot longboard surfboard in the Leaf last weekend. He had to fold the rear seats and it fit on its edge between the two front seats. No problem to close the rear hatch.

 

[GJ79]

Off topic question but I was just looking at the Fiat 500e. How come they are not killing the battery by always charging to 100%. Seems like there is no way to limit charge percentage like in a tesla ?!

 

[gabeincal]

Love our Fiat (that I purchased for around $7k @ 3yrs/12k miles). Has its positives and negatives but I'm not sure I'd like to transport long objects in it.

 

[miimura]

Off topic question but I was just looking at the Fiat 500e. How come they are not killing the battery by always charging to 100%. Seems like there is no way to limit charge percentage like in a tesla ?!

There is a buffer at the top of the battery, so they're not "killing" it.

The Leaf and the RAV4 EV were punished in their EPA range ratings by having an 80% charge setting. The EPA averaged the results from the two settings to give a total rating. Nissan removed the setting in later model years. Besides, these cars have such low range that most people don't want to give up that energy.

 

[gabeincal]

There is a buffer at the top of the battery, so they're not "killing" it.

The Leaf and the RAV4 EV were punished in their EPA range ratings by having an 80% charge setting. The EPA averaged the results from the two settings to give a total rating. Nissan removed the setting in later model years. Besides, these cars have such low range that most people don't want to give up that energy.

It is surprising to me also, but our Fiat is always charged to 100% and doesn't show degradation yet after 3 yrs and 12k miles

 

[number12]

Leaf has up to $17,500 in rebates right now making it no brainer before next gen release.

$200/mo for 100+ range EV hatchback? Easy.

I could probably fit more in that then In my 6 seat X

 

[jerjozwik]

for 3 years i charged my fiat 500e from 50% to 100% at sundown. never had i experienced a range that was not lower than when i picked the car up from the dealer ship.

 

[McRat]

JPL is now a customer. Route has changed to 131 miles. Pondering different options.