A Better Route Planner - across Toronto

[themc11]

Hi all,

Just doing some research and I can't figure out how to get ABRP to use the 407 across Toronto when planning a route from London to Montreal. I tried dropping way points on the Markham Supercharger but then it just routes me back down through Toronto back to the 401(totally impractical). Am I missing something simple?

Thanks,


EDIT; SR+

 

[SilverGS]

I don't think you're missing anything. I just tried it and it seemed to be fine with driving on the 407. See pic attached below.

 

[SilverGS]

Google maps suggests the same route as above too.

 

[ilyak]

I planned the same route, ABRP gives me 407 as an alternative route option:

Check that you don't have "Toll Roads" selected under Avoid on Route in additional settings.

 

[SilverGS]

I planned the same route, ABRP gives me 407 as an alternative route option:

Check that you don't have "Toll Roads" selected under Avoid on Route in additional settings.

Thats's it! I forgot to mention that to the OP.

 

[ilyak]

Google maps suggests the same route as above too. View attachment 510159

Google Maps just loves the ETR. It regularly tries to send me to 407 on the way from the US border to YYZ even when there's zero traffic on 403. ABRP's routing is more merciful and only suggests it as an alternative.

 

[wayner]

Google maps needs some sort of a utility function that you can put in to make the tradeoff for toll roads like the 407. For most folks it isn't worth it to spend $10 to save 2 minutes but how would the algo know this? You should put in a value of your time to let it make the calc.

 

[themc11]

Same thing....does not show the option. Tolls are not excluded in the settings.

 

[themc11]

Only way I can get it to give me the option is if I set Markham Supercharger as a waypoint.....could it be that you have better range cars?

 

[SilverGS]

Same thing....does not show the option. Tolls are not excluded in the settings.

That's odd. I have a Model S 75D - range is 352 km at 90%

I deliberately set the Markham supercharger as a waypoint on both routes (ABRP and Google Maps) that I pasted above.

 

[themc11]

That's odd. I have a Model S 75D - range is 352 km at 90%

I deliberately set the Markham supercharger as a waypoint on both routes (ABRP and Google Maps) that I pasted above.

Yep if I set it as a way point I get the option.....no waypoint and it is not an option.

 

[Vawlkus]

Are you using the app version or the desktop version?

 

[ilyak]

Same thing....does not show the option. Tolls are not excluded in the settings.

ABRP's goal is to get to your destination as quickly as possible, optimizing the route so that you spend the least time charging. It thinks that for your specific combination of range/efficiency, starting SoC, arrive to charger SoC, and final destination SoC settings, it is faster for you to use the charger that's not on 407. If you play around with banning specific chargers (right-click on them on the map to see the setting to avoid a charger), it will give you alternative routes that avoid them. For what it's worth, ABRP's routing algorithm is not perfect by any means either, so sometimes it will make sub-optimal suggestions.

 

[themc11]

Are you using the app version or the desktop version?

Desktop

 

[themc11]

ABRP's goal is to get to your destination as quickly as possible, optimizing the route so that you spend the least time charging. It thinks that for your specific combination of range/efficiency, starting SoC, arrive to charger SoC, and final destination SoC settings, it is faster for you to use the charger that's not on 407. If you play around with banning specific chargers (right-click on them on the map to see the setting to avoid a charger), it will give you alternative routes that avoid them. For what it's worth, ABRP's routing algorithm is not perfect by any means either, so sometimes it will make sub-optimal suggestions.

Thanks for the suggestion on banning some chargers.....the algorithm definitely does not know everything.....the 407 is waaay faster most of the day.

 

[DeepFrz]

Google maps needs some sort of a utility function that you can put in to make the tradeoff for toll roads like the 407. For most folks it isn't worth it to spend $10 to save 2 minutes but how would the algo know this? You should put in a value of your time to let it make the calc.

Google maps has that built in. Click on "Options".

 

[bijan]

Google maps has that built in. Click on "Options".

I see the option to allow or not allow toll roads. I don't see an option that says use toll roads only if it saves more than X minutes, which is what I think @wayner wants (actually sounds like he might want a my time is worth $X per minute/hour option and the algorithm computes whether it's worth paying so much toll, but anyways).