sdugan99
Member
Yes exactly what I did and it was very helpful. I usually was lower on consumption, and could see the effect of speeding up or using more heat etc.
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Yes exactly what I did and it was very helpful. I usually was lower on consumption, and could see the effect of speeding up or using more heat etc.
Being a new owner I'm still trying to determine various range parameters. Using ABRP, I've planned an upcoming trip using the default 324 reference consumption at 65 mph. There isn't a destination charger available so now I'm trying to determine a realistic worse case scenario.
Question for the group:
What reference consumption number would be reasonable for 65-70 mph, 45° outside temp on mostly level ground?
Thanks
Question for the group:
What reference consumption number would be reasonable for 65-70 mph, 45° outside temp on mostly level ground?
Thanks
Nosken
Active Member
You could check you usage in the trip odometers. Reset one and drive for awhile in the same conditions you might drive. I round up a little for comfort. I have a 90D and use 300-325 depending on weather temp. But I drive faster that 65-70. I also set "arrive at charger" to 20%, and if I can't get the route I want. I back it off to 10% to check the route. Don't forget using PlugShare.com, you might find some non-Tesla charging, but DO NOT DEPEND ON THEM.
Thanks for the explanations guys.
@Duffer I too have been taking some notes on my consumption and trying to figure out a baseline for different speeds and temps, etc. FYI, I've been in the 320 Wh/mi ballpark doing 65-75 mph at 45-55 dF. So that's a bit better than the Route Planner estimates, but it's good to have a buffer I guess. It really depends on elevation changes and headwinds too. I hope to have some good rules of thumb on that someday soon. (As a pilot, it drives me nuts to have no elevation and headwind consumption planning tools!!
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@Nosken that is some sage advice! Thanks. Really smart way to plan it out.
@Duffer I too have been taking some notes on my consumption and trying to figure out a baseline for different speeds and temps, etc. FYI, I've been in the 320 Wh/mi ballpark doing 65-75 mph at 45-55 dF. So that's a bit better than the Route Planner estimates, but it's good to have a buffer I guess. It really depends on elevation changes and headwinds too. I hope to have some good rules of thumb on that someday soon. (As a pilot, it drives me nuts to have no elevation and headwind consumption planning tools!!
)@Nosken that is some sage advice! Thanks. Really smart way to plan it out.
sdugan99
Member
I did it this way. Plugged in 345 knowing it was probably conservative. After about 30 miles of driving I would replan based on my actual usage for that 30 miles. Seem to work pretty well. Just loggin in with your tesla id to get real time data.
Thank you for your responses.
@Nosken About that 65-70... I'm not used to driving that slow either. It has been an interesting experiment in range management.
@Buster1 Good to know that 320 consumption is achievable at freeway speeds in cooler weather. I'm going to set up the winds/elevation app at some point to try and log some data.
@sdugan99 I'll try using 345 as my worse case/unfamiliar trip scenarios. During my upcoming trip to the CA coast in March I'm a bit concerned about the 200 mile round trip between the SuC at Atascadero and Santa Maria in our S75D if the weather is bad.
I just realized that there is a SuC 35 miles South of Santa Maria. I guess that's where I will sleep off my dinner at Jocko's Steakhouse | "Well Fed" on Saturday night.
@Nosken About that 65-70... I'm not used to driving that slow either. It has been an interesting experiment in range management.
@Buster1 Good to know that 320 consumption is achievable at freeway speeds in cooler weather. I'm going to set up the winds/elevation app at some point to try and log some data.
@sdugan99 I'll try using 345 as my worse case/unfamiliar trip scenarios. During my upcoming trip to the CA coast in March I'm a bit concerned about the 200 mile round trip between the SuC at Atascadero and Santa Maria in our S75D if the weather is bad.
I just realized that there is a SuC 35 miles South of Santa Maria. I guess that's where I will sleep off my dinner at Jocko's Steakhouse | "Well Fed" on Saturday night.
Nosken
Active Member
Remember-If you get stuck there are public chargers and RV parks. What is your 100% range? What is your current consumption rate?
I did a great 3700 mile trip from near Sacramento through Utah. 10 state and National parks then up to Wyoming, and finally to Eastern Idaho for the eclipse. ABRP was essential in my planning. I broke each day into a separate trip initially so that I could plan (sometimes multiple routes per day). I use GPS coordinates for spots and routes in the parks I would visit rather than just the usual park entrance.
Once a route looked like it would work, I used the in car nav to just go to the next waypoint, knowing ahead of time what route might be best, thanks to ABRP. It was a breeze. When I got back, there was finally a "Donate" button on ABRP, and I happily contributed!
I just released ABRP 2.12. News:
Also, I am happy to see that Tesla has announced their web trip planner to show potential buyers how Tesla roadtrips work out. They should have done it a long time ago.
- Settings is split in two parts, most important settings and "more settings" for those who really want to go there...
- Added parameters for outside temperature (affects consumption marginally), wind (affects consumption), and road conditions (affects consumption a lot)
Also, I am happy to see that Tesla has announced their web trip planner to show potential buyers how Tesla roadtrips work out. They should have done it a long time ago.
Dr. J
Active Member
Yeah, but it's not nearly as good as A Better Route Planner. I just tried both for the same trip (Fort Worth to Trinidad, CO) and the answer was 4.5 hours shorter with ABRP, due to the crazy (very conservative) route the Tesla trip planner created. You da man @blincoln! (As we say in these parts.)
sdugan99
Member
Yea not as good and only useful for potential buyers of new cars. Only gives you 75/100 and Model 3 options.
S100D
Member
I sent the following message to Tesla regarding their Trips Planner application which only supports the latest batteries. It seems that they do not understand that 70 to 80% (guess) of all the Teslas sold do not have the latest batteries. This is a very poor implementation since it can only be used by the current battery options. There are much better applications to use like A Better Route Planner.
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Sent: 1/4/2018 8:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Tesla Account support email
The Tesla Trips link that you just added on your website is not a good implementation. It only supports the following batteries: - 75kw - 100kw - 100kw performance.
To make the application useful it should also support the following batteries: - S60 - S70 - S85 - S90 This is not a good app to use unless you are running the latest cars being sold by Tesla.
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From: Customer Support Tesla <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, January 8, 2018 at 6:42 PM
To:
Subject: RE: Tesla Account support email [ ref:_00D506dxX._50050uK2Vy:ref ]
Hi Sir,
Thank you for contacting Tesla support. We appreciate your feedback about the Tesla Trips link on our page. I will pass this feedback on to our programming team to see if we can implement this on our site. I am not sure if there is a reason that the older models are not included but I can see how it would be beneficial to add those. If you have any other feature requests, please do not hesitate to let us know.
Jaden
Tesla Support Specialist
SomeJoe7777
Marginally-Known Member
I know everyone is kind of disparaging Tesla's online trip planner (especially in comparison to ABRP, which is obviously superior), but I think that Tesla never intended for existing owners to be able to plan their trips using it. The Tesla online trip planner is a marketing tool -- the point of it is to show a potential buyer how the car works to get you to your destination by plotting out all the charging stops for you, and to prove to them that the Tesla fully supports long-distance travel.
- The link to get to the Tesla trip planner is on the page for Charging, which is a page that only a potential buyer is going to look at.
- New buyers will only be purchasing the 75 or 100, that's why those are the only two options.
- After you plot a route, there is a button that appears at the bottom that says "Order Your Model S", obviously giving the potential buyer the opportunity to go configure and purchase.
The online Tesla trip planner was never meant to be used for actual trip planning -- that's what the trip planner in the car is for (or ABRP, if you want a better trip planner). I don't think it's fair to judge the online Tesla trip planner in the context of actual trip planning functionality, because that's not it's purpose. It's only a marketing tool to show buyers how the car works and how an EV gets you from place to place.
Dr. J
Active Member
Even though it's named "Tesla Trip Planner?" I think if it were named "Tesla Marketing Tool," that would be a reasonable way to judge it. Either way, the nicest thing I can say about is this: it's suboptimal.
Your experience and planning methods are very helpful. Hopefully, I will never have to utilize any RV parks on any of our future trips. I keep the UMC and all of the connectors in the car just in case. That reminds me. I should probably confirm that the UMC actually works.
My longest "trip" so far has been around 100 miles which included frequent stops (wife's after Christmas shopping). Unfortunately, unless I can sneak in a factory tour between now and our trip in March I won't know what the real world 100% range is for my car.
Basically, I'm trying to obtain real range data from others, such as yourself and erring on the side of caution when I make a WAG. For example, my usage seems to be in the 280's-290's range so the default 324 in ABRP should provide a buffer for the majority of the driving conditions I will see here in Cali. @sdugan99 suggested using 345 as a conservative consumption rate which seems like a prudent idea for trip planning especially since this is the first time I've made this trip in a EV. If it wasn't for the 70+ miles I will be driving after I arrive at the destination and no place to charge overnight, this would be a pretty straight forward trip.
Whisky
Member
sdugan99
Member
I would start conservative and once you get 30-60 miles in you can adjust pretty easy with realtime data. 345 for me was in cold temps. If I did the same trip in 20 degrees warmer I would probably start somewhere around 320
Peter_M
Member
I just re-entered my Tesla userid and password on ABRP and it shows my my VIN, but I can't select the vehicle. I get the "finger" cursor when I point at the VIN, but when I click it, nothing happens. I'm using MacOS 10.13.2. Same issue with Chrome, Firefox and Safari.
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Let's find out what it is - run Chrome, do exactly what you did above (including clicking the VIN or name of the car) and then select Menu->More Tools->Developer tools in Chrome. Click the "Console" tab and send me a message with the content there (there should be an error text).
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