Obviously Tesla should just allow people with FSD V1.0 (the people who have gotten nothing so far) to get a refund. The "3 months maybe, 6 months definitely" tweet was almost three years ago.
36 months maybe, 60 months also maybe.
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Obviously Tesla should just allow people with FSD V1.0 (the people who have gotten nothing so far) to get a refund. The "3 months maybe, 6 months definitely" tweet was almost three years ago.
There was no piecemeal aspect of FSD like AP/EAP. In fact people assumed it was a completely separate code base, and that accounted for the demo being so good.
If you weren't around in 2016 Tesla's marketing clearly made me believe that EAP and FSD were just a software update away. I would have no problem with purchasing AP1 MS at that time and infact if it wasn't for their ridiculous used car sale services I would have been driving AP1. At one point I was standing right in front of the AP1 MS I was looking to purchase but no I can't look at it or take ride. So this is not just about $3000 for FSD but a LOT more.
My worst fear is Tesla will completely ignore AP2 as time goes by and MY and Truck is released. And't yes I don't give a cheese eater's booty that Tesla will go bankrupt if they make whole AP2 customers.
I don’t get your opinion on this, at all.
After all: Obviously FSD can happen piecemeal. Just like AP1 and EAP happened piecemeal, even though we got their full descriptions from the get-go. (Had Tesla stuck to 4 cameras only for non-FSD this piecemeal approach would have happened even sooner.)
It is the most simplest thing to come up with features that might come out piecemeal. Here is one novel thought of what a piecemeal step for FSD could mean:
- Adding support for intersection-taking
- Adding support for roundabout exit-taking
- Adding support for stop sign stopping
- Adding support for traffic light stopping
Any one of those would be very much be a piecemeal approach towards FSD. Far from any Level 3-5 activity, but still features clearly beyond EAP.
FSD is not a steak, as you put it. It is a software option pack sold by a company that tends to approach software step by step instead of completed deliverables. Obviously they can — and almost everyone still today expects they will — bring it to fruition piece by piece. It was hardly unreasonable to expect this in 2016, especially when Tesla set a hard limit of 4 cameras only for EAP and FSD needed for 8.
I stand by my opinion that lots of us bought FSD in 2016 based on this belief that it would bring us some above-EAP features soon. Elon confirmed this in January 2017 by stating FSD differentiating features would come in 3-6 months. Now, I agree Tesla sold us a fake and failed in ”fake it until they make it” so they failed to deliver that.
It's not an opinion; it's exactly what was on Tesla webpage.
Why did EAP come piecemeal when it was also presented as the full thing? You just said EAP would be natural as piecemeal, but FSD for some reason isn’t.
Even though Elon Musk himself said FSD differentiating features would come by summer 2017
I think a lot of people would have been happy with significant new features for FSD pack owners appearing a couple of times a year, like traffic sign recognition and reaction, park seek, intersection and roundabout taking, camera-based auto park and so forth. Piece by piece progress, just like AP1 had for a while, and like EAP has had.
Then Elon answered it equally vague about how, and his typical pull it from his arse answer. Which he's done so many times that it has lost any meaning.
Had there been no mention of 4 vs. 8 active cameras and no Elon tweet, and no subsequent hints that FSD pack indeed is going to come out bit by bit, I might even agree with you. And I certainly agree Tesla tried to sell us a Level 5 dream back in 2016 to deflect from their unexpectedly early split from MobilEye. In a way FSD was definitely sold as a fake. But I would say it has always been a minority interpretation that this would somehow mean FSD only comes when it is Level 5 sleep in your car robotaxi. My opinion is most expected it to come out as Level 2 first, just my hunch.
As to disagreeing. I think its important to disagree. History isn't written by one story teller.
Considering that true FSD will only be possible on the AP3 computer, Tesla will definitely need to (and I am confident will) upgrade ALL FSD buyers to AP3.
Have you tried to schedule your upgrade yet? With the last SW update it looks like the FSD computer now has functionality surfacing specific to it and according to Andrej's video you posted they are now targeting all of the NN's to the FSD chip only. 9:30 mark.