Electroman
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Thats my biggest worry leaving it in a shop for months.Wonder what your vampire drain is.. battery is probably dead and damaged by now too
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Thats my biggest worry leaving it in a shop for months.Wonder what your vampire drain is.. battery is probably dead and damaged by now too
I think you may have been hitting Elon's cool aid a bit heavy. Bringing repairs in house doesn't solve parts not being available problem, unless you're telling me Tesla is somehow able to ship parts to their own stores in timely manner but shipping to non-Tesla owned locations adds months to the process.
The talk to Tesla bringing repairs in house, in true Elon style with no timeline of course, is just another one of Elon's tweetures design to pacify critics. It may not happen for years, if ever, and even if it does, it doesn't solve the problem of non parts at all unless each service center turns into a parts factory for their needs. Remember Elon solving the high insurance problem for Teslas by bringing it in house? How did that turn out? How about Elon's promise for everyone getting P100D loaners?
I was just trying to say that bringing body work in-house has little to do with solving the long wait times, hence my confusion why people bring it up. I know you suggested fixing the part problem too, but why even mention bringing body work in-house? If you said "they'll improve blind spot detection, hopefully fix the part supply issue along with it" I would question how the first part solves the problem, besides possibly reducing the frequency of accidents.Which is why the very next sentence I said was "Hopefully that along with straightening out the parts issue will get cars back onto the road."
So I'm not really sure how to respond. It's a little weird to agree 100% with someone, but feel like there is a disconnect. I didn't get into the broken promises things because frankly there have been so many that's impossible to say what will bear fruit, and what won't. I didn't see anything impractical about bringing some level of body work in house, but I'm far from an expert on that. My understanding was they were already at the hiring process stage. But, it could just be a trial thing where they decide to drop it.
The terrible thing about Elon is he conveys ideas of things they'd like to try as promises that's he's going to deliver on.
I think it's healthy to try different things, and to talk about them. But, Elon takes it way too far.
There is no point to it now, but I wish I would have created a web document years ago that simply kept track of Elon's promises, and what became of them. Each tweet/blog/press-release/etc would be analyzed as to whether it was an actual hard promise versus a soft "we'll implement it if it makes sense kind of thing".
I agree with others that the fear of an accident is the single biggest concern I've had owning my MS these last 3.5 years. It was a big issue when I bought it, and by many accounts it has not improved one bit. Bringing body repair in-house is absolutely NOT the answer, they have enough on their plate without trying to take over the auto repair business nationwide. The solution is prioritizing timely parts availability to body shops, something they have failed to consistently do and it will probably be the reason I trade it in for a non-Tesla vehicle.
Ironically my biggest concern has been realized. Less than a week after writing this I was rear-ended sitting at a red light by a distracted soccer mom in a Tahoe. Let the games begin.I agree with others that the fear of an accident is the single biggest concern I've had owning my MS these last 3.5 years. It was a big issue when I bought it, and by many accounts it has not improved one bit. Bringing body repair in-house is absolutely NOT the answer, they have enough on their plate without trying to take over the auto repair business nationwide. The solution is prioritizing timely parts availability to body shops, something they have failed to consistently do and it will probably be the reason I trade it in for a non-Tesla vehicle.
So sorry to hear! I hope that you are okay and that the wait will be short. I just picked up Tessi again after 113 days without her. It turned out that the rail inside the vehicle was damaged and also needed to be replaced as a result of the rear end collision - something the shop did not see until the began to take the vehicle apart. What I thought was relatively minor turned out to be around $16K.Let the games begin.
I was just trying to say that bringing body work in-house has little to do with solving the long wait times, hence my confusion why people bring it up. I know you suggested fixing the part problem too, but why even mention bringing body work in-house? If you said "they'll improve blind spot detection, hopefully fix the part supply issue along with it" I would question how the first part solves the problem, besides possibly reducing the frequency of accidents.
As for the examples, I gave two of what Elon "in-house solutions" turned out to be. Elon seems to believe a solution to anything is bringing things in-house, that's why AP had a 2 year setback, and we still don't have a reliable blind spot monitoring. There are of course plenty of other broken promises.
Not only do I think it's worthy of mention, but I'll mention it again to provide an update that it's a very real thing that Tesla is doing. It's not some empty promise (although it does remain to be seen as to whether it helps solve the problem).
Tesla launches its own in-house ‘Body Repair Centers’ to reduce repair time
I don't see this addressing all issues, but hopefully it can address common issues by pre-stocking parts.
Hopefully you or I will never have to use it, but I'm happy that one of the sites is local.
I still don't see parts supply being solved by in-house minor-damage repair shops. Either they can or cannot supply enough parts in timely manner. The only way this changes anything is if the in-house shops will become part warehouses and lack of warehousing was the original problem.Not only do I think it's worthy of mention, but I'll mention it again to provide an update that it's a very real thing that Tesla is doing. It's not some empty promise (although it does remain to be seen as to whether it helps solve the problem).
Tesla launches its own in-house ‘Body Repair Centers’ to reduce repair time
I don't see this addressing all issues, but hopefully it can address common issues by pre-stocking parts.
Hopefully you or I will never have to use it, but I'm happy that one of the sites is local.
Minor repairs can be quick. There are even businesses which will do dent repair, scratch removal, and othe minor body repair at your home or work parking lot. This is nothing revolutionary.My experience with the in-house body shop in Eatonville was amazing. In and out in 2 days for repaired bumper, vs. weeks at an exponentially higher price through outside vendors. They think their system will revolutionalize the repair industry.
I still don't see parts supply being solved by in-house minor-damage repair shops. Either they can or cannot supply enough parts in timely manner. The only way this changes anything is if the in-house shops will become part warehouses and lack of warehousing was the original problem.
That said, I suspect it will be just another one of Elon's hot air flops, you know, promise AP1 "will find you anywhere on the private property" and deliver "drive up to 40 feet in a straight line while you hold a dead-man-switch to make sure the car doesn't hit anything". It's very likely these body shops will turn out the same - promise "fix long repair times" but deliver "take on the minor repairs and offload anything major or things they don' t have the parts for to 3rd party shops, so they can blame those shops again". Tesla already officially stated they will not handle any major damage, so they are already part way there.
The real way to solve is is to fix the supply problem rather than mask it. If the problem is long delays with parts, fix the parts supply line so that all parts can be shipped within a day or two. Elon could put his money where his mouth is and guarantee ship time or provide loaners for however long the excessive parts delay is. Of course he won't do that, because he knows the problem is still there.
Sorry to be a pessimist here, but after years of listening to Elon's solutions I realized they are mostly hot air. He used to promise and achieve a lot, in the last 4-5 years he started promising more and deliver less.
Lastly, I hope to not ever have to go though this again. We got lucky because our estimate took less than 3 weeks, people a month later had a 3 month wait just to get an estimate from Service King. I suspect the very same accident would end up the same today, Tesla body repair would conclude that it's major damage and they would send it to Service King. I'm just glad our car was totaled so we didn't have to deal with parts delays to fix it - insurance doesn't cover car rentals for that long.