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A yoke or a joke?
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Wol747
Active Member
Obviously not haven driven it I have to go on what my experience with trying to use the wheel as if it's a yoke tells me.
Pretty obviously, too, is that in freeway driving where the wheel/yoke only turns by a few degrees it's no different anyway. I guess you can get used to having small switches instead of stalks in that case (why?).
But it's very America - centric: in most of the world one is required to indicate when making almost full lock turns on mini roundabouts etc. I hate to think about finding the left indicator button when the button's brushing your right thigh and presumably your right hand is at the 10 o'clock position!
As has been said many times - why change something for something which "can be got used to", even if it does look "cool"?
Pretty obviously, too, is that in freeway driving where the wheel/yoke only turns by a few degrees it's no different anyway. I guess you can get used to having small switches instead of stalks in that case (why?).
But it's very America - centric: in most of the world one is required to indicate when making almost full lock turns on mini roundabouts etc. I hate to think about finding the left indicator button when the button's brushing your right thigh and presumably your right hand is at the 10 o'clock position!
As has been said many times - why change something for something which "can be got used to", even if it does look "cool"?
Do you have the new S? If you don’t then I’d say it’s pretty presumptuous to tell me what “my” experience is or isn’t when I actually own it and have been driving it now for about 1500 miles. If you don’t want it or don’t like it that’s certainly your prerogative, but that’s irrelevant to what my real world experience with it is. I prefer it.
This thread dropped down to a few blowhards without any experience with yokes or the Model S/X refresh, telling how Tesla will lose their sales.
Nobody cares.
Nobody cares.
TessP100D
Active Member
KOOL Aid drinker. Signed up for another glass. Just in case.
Well, Elon confirmed less than 2 weeks ago that the Model S would not get a normal steering wheel.
Elon Musk confirms new Tesla Model S will not have a “normal” steering wheel option
The Tesla Model S Plaid has been favorably received in terms of its performance and tech, but there is one aspect of the vehicle that has remained divisive since Day 1: its steering yoke, which has resulted in a substantial amount of skepticism from both Tesla critics and supporters alike. As...
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Their customers are all getting Model S's with the yoke, and they're selling all the S's they're building.
By the time S/X sales will drop, the yoke will be also in the CT and Roadster, and won't be an issue anymore.
I hear the Mercedes EQS comes with a normal steering wheel. Maybe check with your local MB dealership.
TessP100D
Active Member
When sales dropped dramatically after all the fanboys but the stupid yoke, we will then see. Won’t we?Well, Elon confirmed less than 2 weeks ago that the Model S would not get a normal steering wheel.
Elon Musk confirms new Tesla Model S will not have a “normal” steering wheel option
The Tesla Model S Plaid has been favorably received in terms of its performance and tech, but there is one aspect of the vehicle that has remained divisive since Day 1: its steering yoke, which has resulted in a substantial amount of skepticism from both Tesla critics and supporters alike. As...
Their customers are all getting Model S's with the yoke, and they're selling all the S's they're building.
By the time S/X sales will drop, the yoke will be also in the CT and Roadster, and won't be an issue anymore.
I hear the Mercedes EQS comes with a normal steering wheel. Maybe check with your local MB dealership.
BigNick
Infamous Fat Sweaty Guy
I think Tesla will hear about it once the new S/X are available for test drives.
I had considered trading my S for a new 3 and enjoyed my test drive, but couldn't get around the narrower 3 seat being uncomfortable for me.
How many test drivers will have a similar opinion about:
(a) the yoke itself
(b) buttons for turn indicators
(c) non-intuitive horn location
I think a yoke with the stalks/rollers having the same function as the current Model 3 would be a decent compromise between the "classic" S controls and the "refreshed" S controls.
I don't have my refresh yet, but from all I've read/seen, etc, seems like its two fold. Yoke + stalkless controls /little horn button. If I've read 20 reviews on the combo, seems like 14 are negative ie "not sure of the problem this solved since they didnt bother to touch steering ratio, especially. And no benefit to removing the stalks" type comments.
That said, if we consider that 100% of all S buyers are aware that the car has the Yoke and are aware of the no stalk move, but yet those same buyers are placing orders and spending tens of thousands of dollars to still buy the cars (while enduring poor comms, poor customer service, months long waits) in what appears to be extreme high demand?
I dont know if I see (from a business aspect) Tesla making any change to their "yoke only" policy. Why would they at this point?
All of that said? I would pay them extra (if that was an option) to go traditional wheel/stalks/horn location. My opinion: should have reserved the yoke only for the Plaid powertrain vehicles.
That said, if we consider that 100% of all S buyers are aware that the car has the Yoke and are aware of the no stalk move, but yet those same buyers are placing orders and spending tens of thousands of dollars to still buy the cars (while enduring poor comms, poor customer service, months long waits) in what appears to be extreme high demand?
I dont know if I see (from a business aspect) Tesla making any change to their "yoke only" policy. Why would they at this point?
All of that said? I would pay them extra (if that was an option) to go traditional wheel/stalks/horn location. My opinion: should have reserved the yoke only for the Plaid powertrain vehicles.
An ‘informed’ opinion that differs from yours must be a “Kool Aide” drinker? Laughable.
bo3bdar
Member
For the Roadster they pretty likely can get away with this, but for CyberTruck, you guys are dreaming if you think anybody who wants it for off roading is going to accept that. I've done a fair amount of 4 wheel drive off roading, and the yoke and the on-screen F/R is not going to cut it.
My take is the same as @philip295, that this is just Elon getting free attention, and once/if they get caught up, they will relent. It will make zero business sense to lose any customers over something like this on a car with extra high margins.
On CyberTruck they are already pushing the rock uphill with the crazy design. Now that the F-150 Lightning will be genuine competition, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. For off-roading and more normal truck buyers, the F-150 and/or Hummer is a much better choice. Hell, the F-150 will theoretically ship sooner than the CyberTruck and have the killer feature of being able to power your house during outages. Come on Tesla, enough with the gimmicks, get back to nailing the basics.
TessP100D
Active Member
Yup. This thread is basically trolls struggling to rehash the old tired "demand issues" meme and failing miserably.
vapor trail
Member
You're right. We should stop our useless griping and thank Musk for bestowing upon us all his goofy whims.
electrifyme
Member
IF tesla is gonna force a yoke on the CT, I'll likely cancel mine. I wallet just thanked me.
I too will cancel my CyberTruck order if there’s no physical control for forward / reverse. There’s no god-damned way I’m gonna climb into my truck with dirty hands in work gloves and attempt to maneuver through a job site on fresh dirt while selecting driving direction with long, awkward swipes on screen. I will switch to Ford over that asinine—but tragically nearly inevitable—dealbreaker.
Wol747
Active Member
You do realise that the CyberTruck is aimed at the latte drinker Si Valley cadres, not anyone who doesn’t have a manicurist?
When I saw that powerful, indestructible beast and read the promise (rumors?) of 240 v AC, 120 v AC, and compressed air for job site tools I mistakenly thought it was designed to be our perfect work horse. My bad. Time to get my nails done.
TessP100D
Active Member
Save your self all the trouble and aggregation. Get the Ford.
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