billh13850
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The most questionable part of the report is the implicit claim that these results are typical and relevant to users. That's where the falsehood lies. That is to say, it's not the report, it's the misleading headlines hawking it..
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Fair and reasonable would include a paragraph stating that results are only correct for their circumstances and that it’s pretty simple to mitigate them. They chose not to take part in the education process you agree should take place. They had a great chance to take part and chose to go with a negative slant instead.The report seems very fair and factual. Potential EV owners should be educated on how EV's operate in different conditions.
Yep. It would also be fair and reasonable to read the study method before commenting but that is too much for some people.Fair and reasonable would include a paragraph stating that results are only correct for their circumstances and that it’s pretty simple to mitigate them. They chose not to take part in the education process you agree should take place. They had a great chance to take part and chose to go with a negative slant instead.
I did read it!Yep. It would also be fair and reasonable to read the study method before commenting but that is too much for some people.
Clearly. My comment was not directed at you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.I did read it!
Maybe but there are people who to buy an EV without home charging ability. They will be greatly impacted by a large short range loss.
Yes, it is a report based on selected assumptions with the intent of pushing a narrative.
It does not make the report false per se, merely irrelevant.
chose to go with a negative slant instead.
The test was real world behaviour. You have Tesla people telling owners to drive without heat and dress warm. That may result in less loss. Most normal people won't do that. Our PHEV has about a 40% loss when the electric heat is running. Maybe 10%-15% in the cold without the heat. Keeping the warm squishy part at the steering wheel comfortable has a cost.
When they talk about dressing warm, what exactly does that mean?
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This is the sort of dressing for the cold that I am used to.
If you really want to read a horror story, check out Case 7 at the bottom of the page. Those were able bodied Marines 100 yards from shore. No one made it to shore.
I'm pretty sure I'm not going to die at the wheel because of the heater, but sometimes I'm not sure. The cabin literally never gets warm and I can see nearly no impact on my mileage display regardless of the heater setting. So maybe my heater just isn't working well and that's why it doesn't show up on the mileage.
Here's a Tesla question: If the volume and the heater fan speed both go to 11, why does the following distance in the cruise control only go to 7?
Hmm, "EVs lose range in cold weather." In other news: "water is wet" and "fire is hot!"
I wonder if AAA is aware that ICE cars also have reduced range in winter? Yes, it doesn't matter as much because there is a gas station on every corner and they are so inefficient that they generate huge amounts of waste heat for climate control but, still...
I agree. I have no idea why the manufacturers don’t explain this to buyers. I suppose it would affect sales, but id think an informed buyer is better than an irritated one.
The report is accurate and the results are real. It’s important to understand that the results apply only to the methods used.
I drove 70 actual miles over a number of small trips to see 150 miles come off the estimated range
But I have seen consumption as high as 25 to 30% on the same stretch with some headwind.