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AC Recirc not working and AC not as cold as prior to 8.0?

Discussion in 'Model S' started by Racerx22b, Sep 29, 2016.

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  1. msnow

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    It's definitely catchy but I can see the networks having a problem with it.
     
  2. Racerx22b

    Racerx22b @unplggdd on Instagram

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    Ballsy bro!
     
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    I can also confirm that v8 simply doesn't cool as well. Our temps are dropping slowly here in Texas, but I was out during the day on Sunday and noticed it immediately. Had to crank the fan way up compared to before. This is going to stink next Summer if they don't get this addressed before then.
     
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    If you haven't done so already, please email [email protected] to report this issue.

    I have only received an automated email response for now and will report back when I hear more.
     
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    Here is the answer I received:

    "Since the 8.0 update, the numbers on the screen do not represent just “fan speed” anymore. They now represent an airflow setting and that is why you have noticed a difference in the HVAC system."

    I would guess that there is a (very) strong correlation between airflow and fan speed, even if fan speed is no longer the only variable taken into account and so that answer doesn't really help. No response to my specific additional re. air circ now requiring the fan speed/airflow to be set @ 4 or above though....so I will follow up.
     
  6. msnow

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    Yeah, it sounds like they either didn't understand your question, are avoiding it or guessing.
     
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    Note: Pure speculation on my part (I haven't had a chance to see the thermal controller code).

    I bet the reason why it goes to fresh air for speeds 1-3 is because it expects some "assistance" from oncoming fresh air at highway speeds. So, to save energy, the system mixes fresh air at speeds 1-3 and lowers the fan speed down to 1 (with minimal mixing at 1, partial mix at 2, max mix at 3, and then full recirc and increased fan speed at 4, etc). At lower car speeds or at a full stop, it probably goes to full recirc and changes fan speeds to compensate for the "lack" of fresh air.

    This is probably what the ServiceHelp guys mean by the "speed numbers" meaning airflow, instead of purely fan speed.

    Has anyone tried turning off range mode and seeing if the issue persists?
     
  8. apacheguy

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    @ThatOneRoadie - I'd be fine with the implementation you suggest if the HVAC was set to auto. But when I set a manual override I expect it to follow my input regardless of potential energy savings.
     
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    jerry33 (S85-3/2/13 traded in) X LR: F2611##-3/27/20

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    They also changed the upper limit (lowered it). When it's very hot, starting at the upper limit reduces the noise, energy use, and vibration. Plus it still feels cool. It was 31.5, now it's 27.5.
     
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    With 2.42.40 fixing some of the loudest complaints around USB functionality in the music player (that 8.0 introduced - not the long term complaints), has the recirc behavior of the AC changed/return to 7.1's behavior?
     
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  11. msnow

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    Great question!
     
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    Just confirmed on mine.. Same behaviour as before. Recirc gets disabled when fan speed is lower than 4.
     
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    Disappointing. Still on 7.1 and loving my recirc mode at fan speed 3. No issues either so there is absolutely no reason for Tesla to implement this "fix".
     
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    Yeah. This is my holdout on refusing the update each morning.
     
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    I actually smell outside air (exhaust) at fan speed 4 with recirc selected. I've asked Tesla support to provide me an exhaustive list of every single AC setting that provides guaranteed recirculation of cabin air... After many back and forths and promises of following through I have yet to be provided these settings.

    Jason
     
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    My AC is also not as cold as before following V8.0. I thought it was just me!
     
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    Other than recirc, the fresh air setting or an open window or pano, what other settings are you thinking are allowing exhaust in? From what I can see it's just that one.
     
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    I don't know and that is why I want to know from Tesla what settings will 100% guarantee that I will get recirculated cabin air ONLY. I don't think I am making too difficult of a request. I think the car is using some algorithm to decide if I should get fresh air or cabin air and nothing I do will change that. I hope I am wrong. See pic for my settings that result in outside air. I sent this to Tesla for comment. Response still pending.
     

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    Yeah, agree you should only be recirculating with those settings however once your fan drops to 3 it will change to outside air as you know. At least you escalated this, thanks for that.
     
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    Well that's dandy so now you're saying instead of keeping my fan speed on 3 as soon as I accept the 8.0 "upgrade" I could quite possibly be forced to keep it on 5 or higher. This is just getting ridiculous. I'm baffled as to why more owners are not concerned about this.
     
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