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Accidents caused by silent operation?

patp

Member
Aug 2, 2010
605
75
Canada
No accident. But definitely many people not aware there's a car so they cross the parking lot without looking. Happens more often then when you have a loud car. What I like with my Volt is the little "non-agressive pedestrian" horn you can use that's gentle. I will probably install one in my Model S.

Chevrolet Volt pedestrian alert horn - YouTube
 
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cfOH

Member
Jul 1, 2013
96
3
Cincinnati
Just keep an engine revving MP3 file on your flash drive and play it extra loud with the windows down whenever you want someone to notice you. Should confuse the heck out of some people, too. :)
 

mknox

Well-Known Member
Aug 7, 2012
10,103
1,866
Toronto, ON
A year or so ago, I had a little girl run out in front of the Volt I was driving in a restaurant parking lot. She came from the right and if my wife hadn't hollered out, I may have hit her. Now, I know kids do that kind of thing all the time, but I still can't help wondering if the car had been making some sound if things might have been different. Probably not, but just the thought of hitting a little kid scares the crap out of me. I remain extremely diligent when creeping around parking lots in my Model S. (I agree that anything over parking lot speed is a non-issue because of tire noise).
 

Doug_G

Lead Moderator
Apr 2, 2010
17,877
3,337
Ottawa, Canada
To be fair I've had that exact same kiddie incident play out in my former Infiniti G37, and that car wasn't terribly quiet. Kids below a certain age are completely oblivious to danger.
 

hans

P631
Sep 27, 2012
1,132
13
Menlo Park
To be fair I've had that exact same kiddie incident play out in my former Infiniti G37, and that car wasn't terribly quiet. Kids below a certain age are completely oblivious to danger.

Same here with a BMW 5 series. Scared the crap out of me but thankfully nobody was hurt.
 

William13

Active Member
Mar 19, 2011
1,003
86
South Bend
Unfortunately the truth doesn't matter in this case. There was a federal law passed that mandated noise makers. We have just been commenting on implementation. If we are lucky Obama will pull a Gov J Brown on this one and not enforce the law/ proposition.
 

Lloyd

Well-Known Member
Jan 12, 2011
6,252
2,039
San Luis Obispo, CA
I had the same with my Chevy Pickup, flowmasters and oversize pipes. My dog hears me coming at least a half mile away. He knows the tone of this car.
 

steve841

Active Member
Jan 17, 2010
1,936
647
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Said it before and I'll say it again.... To date, I've killed plenty of birds, cats, squirrels, maybe a dog and a turtle...



All while driving my diesel truck...

My S has only killed the pride of those who chose to challenge me on the road...
 

derekt75

Member
Jul 16, 2012
622
34
San Jose, CA
For blind people, I'd hope that there can be some kind of technological solution to the technological problem (e.g., my car's noisemaker only sounds when there's a blind person around).
For clueless able bodied people, I'd hope they stop acting so clueless.

I've been piloting a silent vehicle for decades. While getting hit by 165 pounds of bike and rider might not be as lethal as getting hit by a 4500 pound car, getting hit by my aerobars at 20 mph is likely to put us both in the emergency room. Inevitably, the people that step out in front of my bike are always mad at me for almost hitting them, even though I'm following the rules of the road and maintaining a very straight and obvious path.

I'm hoping that more silent vehicles on the road will make it less dangerous for me to ride my bike as I hope fewer people will rely exclusively on their ears before stepping out into traffic.

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If cars were always silent, would we be having this conversation?
or is it just that society expects cars to make noise that we've passed a law forcing cars to make noise?
 

steve841

Active Member
Jan 17, 2010
1,936
647
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
For blind people, I'd hope that there can be some kind of technological solution to the technological problem (e.g., my car's noisemaker only sounds when there's a blind person around).
For clueless able bodied people, I'd hope they stop acting so clueless.

I've been piloting a silent vehicle for decades. While getting hit by 165 pounds of bike and rider might not be as lethal as getting hit by a 4500 pound car, getting hit by my aerobars at 20 mph is likely to put us both in the emergency room. Inevitably, the people that step out in front of my bike are always mad at me for almost hitting them, even though I'm following the rules of the road and maintaining a very straight and obvious path.

I'm hoping that more silent vehicles on the road will make it less dangerous for me to ride my bike as I hope fewer people will rely exclusively on their ears before stepping out into traffic.

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If cars were always silent, would we be having this conversation?
or is it just that society expects cars to make noise that we've passed a law forcing cars to make noise?

Just remember ... You can't solve stupid.

If people fall in to fountains or walk in to walls because they are too busy texting.... Well, maybe there is no solution.
 

twinklejet

Member
Mar 10, 2013
664
3
Singapore
For blind people, I'd hope that there can be some kind of technological solution to the technological problem

IMO, ICE or EV doesn't make a difference. Volume of your vehicle makes no difference either. Locally in my area we have a legally e
stablished sign for areas with old & blind people.
200px-Singapore_Road_Signs_-_Warning_Sign_-_Elderly_or_Blind_People.svg.png


The point is clear - they can't see you. Whether they can hear you makes no difference.
You could be a bicycle (also silent) and the onus is on you to see and avoid them. In areas with the sign, you are required to slow down, be alert, avoid them or stop and give way to them if you encounter them. In such cases, having an engine purring at idle beside them while they cross the road is more STRESS on them to hurry across than if you were being silent.

Making any noise on purpose is quite redundant.
For anyone who has driven quickly in and out of lanes between traffic you will know that observing the movements of other vehicles and judging what they're gonna do next based on what's happening right now is more efficient than sounding your horn to get people out of your way. On the contrary, sounding your horn creates a mess. People react, people turn their attention to you, people randomly step on the brake and get distracted trying to ascertain "what's happening" upon the sound. Unless of course the sound you're making is a siren. That would be a completely different picture since we're all supposed to move to the side upon the sound of sirens behind us (conditioned response).

Likewise, if you're driving along and you see a pedestrian jaywalking in front of you, honking will cause most people to STOP in their tracks. For others, they will WALK/RUN in an unknown direction (towards the opposite side of the road? turn back to where they came from?). Basic fight, fright, or flight response. This is where it gets messy. Instead of having to deal with a clear case of a person walking in a known direction that you can quite accurately predict for the next 10 seconds so that you can pass safely or stop, you now end up with an unknown situation where any direction you turn might conflict with their new running direction as a response to the sound of you approaching.

If you are going too fast such that neither deicision is a safe one (can't pass and can't stop in time), then you are either over the speed limit of the road, or the speed limit is too high (not properly set for that specific road). (Or in the case of Germany's autobahn, that pedestrian is clearly committing suicide and this discussion is moot anyhow.)

Elsewhere in regular city areas etc, the blind have their own ways of getting around and we should not under estimate their abilities. There are such people who do not want to be treated as "handicapped" and feel that noise makers etc. are just reinforcing the idea that they are handicapped. You'd be amazed at how perfectly capable these people are.

Watch discovery channel, nat geo etc. they have specials on these kinds of issues and you'll see that silent car or noisy car - it makes no difference to them.
 

wycolo

Active Member
May 16, 2012
3,068
422
WA & WY
If you intend to pipe sounds to nearby pedestrians, a reassuring sound would be that of an ICE downshifting. Pedestrian will intuit that the car is now going slower or at least under better control or that the downshift was due to driver actually seeing pedestrian, or all of the above.
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HHHH

Member
Jun 11, 2013
732
23
Henderson, NV
Before you know it ... we'll all be driving fire trucks just to cover for everyone else ....

Speaking of fire trucks, it will be interesting when service vehicles such as, ambulance, police, fire, etc all have EV's. It seems like the perfect market for them, no more worrying about gas, and our tax dollars, donations, can go to other things instead of fuel.
 

neroden

Model S Owner and Frustrated Tesla Fan
Apr 25, 2011
14,676
62,627
Ithaca, NY, USA
Has anyone had any accidents or seen a higher risk of an accident, due to the silent nature of the car? This would likely be in place with lots of pedestrians and where visibility is bad.
In a place with lots of pedestrians and excellent visibility, I had someone RUN BACKWARDS INTO THE CROSSWALK IN FRONT OF ME, against the light, and as I said, facing backwards from his direction of motion. While I was going through the intersection very very slowly. I was not expecting someone facing away from the crosswalk to cross through it, against the light, running backwards. I hit the brakes and avoided hitting him by a foot or so. The people at the side of the road yelled "Dumbass! You could have gotten yourself killed!" to him. I suspect that guy would have done something equally stupid with a gasoline car approaching. That intersection was an extremely loud environment which would cover up any specific car's noise; I don't think this has anything to do with the car being quiet, really.

What I have noticed is that birds don't get out of the way of the Model S the way they get out of the way of other cars. This is at 30-40 mph. I think they are detecting cars by the noise. I have had to be much more careful to avoid hitting birds. (I haven't hit any, but they've flown much closer to the car than they ever do to gas cars.)

Thank goodness for the really, really good brakes, and even more for the absolutely instant deceleration when you take your foot off the pedal. This car is controllable.

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. (Even in parking lots that have 5 mph speed limits posted, no one goes under 10 mph.)
As a humorous note, the Model S is the first car in which I have ever actually been able to obey 5 mph speed limits. It's kind of fun, actually, to keep that number on the speedometer at 5 or below. Every previous car I've had didn't have enough precision on the speedometer to even *tell* whether I was over or under 5 mph.
 

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