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ModelS1079
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Oops. Sorry - bad idea. Such a fine line between stupid and clever. But you get the idea. App for HPWC charge sites would be excellent.
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Jack I soke w solar city today. They claimed a fixed price $900 for N 14 50 or $1100 for the HPWC. They had no in between, 70A option. Odd was that the price was fixed even though I have a 70a circuit ready and even though I have already run the line to the garage. They kept telling me it would all take one visit and had, no interest in seeeing my set upnbefore providing an estimate. Looking at other options. FYI you and I live close enough we could use the same option so see me know and will do same. West coasters- solar city experience?
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Jack I soke w solar city today. They claimed a fixed price $900 for N 14 50 or $1100 for the HPWC. They had no in between, 70A option. Odd was that the price was fixed even though I have a 70a circuit ready and even though I have already run the line to the garage. They kept telling me it would all take one visit and had, no interest in seeeing my set upnbefore providing an estimate. Looking at other options. FYI you and I live close enough we could use the same option so see me know and will do same. West coasters- solar city experience?
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Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
My experience with SolarCity was great!
Preparing for your Model S: Selecting outlet, Solar City, etc. - Page 6
teslasguy
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I made what I thought was an appointment for somone to come to my house to give me an estimate, but when the time came I got a phone call instead. He explained that they do everything over the phone and that's why they ask for pictures. I got the same quote for $900 to install 50 amp line and NEMA 14-50 outlet, and $1100 to install 100 amp line and HPWC. I then asked for a revised estimate to run 100 amp line from basement to garage with 100 amp subpanel in the garage. Then run a 50 amp line from garage subpanel to Nema 14-50 outlet located at front (entrance) of the garage. This would be closer to the car port and also set me up for easy access to another 14-50 outlet (from the new subpanel) in the future for an EV for my wife. I've been waiting for about two weeks now for a revised estimate. Part of that time was due to vacation of my rep.
ModelS1079
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Nice idea. Let us know how it goes with the estimate, please. Have been contemplating whether tis better to put 70A into one charger (can I do that?) or just go with a NEMA 14-50 outlet, or bump the circuit up to 100A and split into 2 NEMA 4-50 outlets for same future use. Model S in a few months but expect it'll be 5 years before my Model...Z arrives.
You can run 70A into the HPWC, but you'll also need the twin chargers to be able to fully utilize that. Based on what I've read from Roadster owners, it's extremely rare to need that much juice at home. So I'd vote for the lower-cost option of running only a NEMA 14-50 now, leaving 50A in reserve for a second line. Maybe even get two NEMA 14-50s installed now so that friends can charge alongside you.
I agree with Robert. Unless you can imagine an instance where you'll come home on near empty and need to turn around in 2 hours and go another 100 miles for example then you'll probably be fine with a NEMA 14-50 outlet. Installing 2 while they are there isn't a bad idea either as Robert said.
I don't have experience with Solar City for charger installations, but I did use them for my home solar panel installation, which was finished about a year ago. The service, on the whole, was less than satisfactory. They were (are?) super busy since they had recently landed their home depot in-store deal, and the entire process from initial conversation to job completion was almost 11 months. Single story home with a composite roof, with a relatively easy install. Their communication was pretty poor as well - I ended up telling the service people that I did not want to hear from my sales rep again as his facts were often less than factual. At one point, they wanted to reduce my system size due to city permit issues by about 20% capacity, but the price only went down by $200, on a system with a purchase price of 19k. Not cool. Eventually it all worked out and I got the system that I wanted in the size I wanted, but it was a hassle to get there. Hopefully they gave improved things, but my experience was not great.
ModelS1079
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One issue w Tesla and Solar City is that they are bound to discuss only Tesla and Solar City products re: charging. This has raised some confusion for me as it was difficult to tease out the possibility and cost of putting in a non-Tesla/SCity charger (or connector, as it is more accurately called). I need their advice as they know the car, but outside of a NEMA 14-50 and the High Poer Tesla WC, they can provide no real advice.
Simple question for a Tech-Enabled TMC Forum-er: I have 70A to my garage. While this would not fill J1772 or similar charger (70A out from 90A supply) to its full capacity, can I install this anyway and enjoy the higher charge rate (56A out, about 45mi/hour charging) and lower cost of install than the Tesla brand HPWC? Yes I plan twin chargers in my Model S to take advantage of this.
Simple question for a Tech-Enabled TMC Forum-er: I have 70A to my garage. While this would not fill J1772 or similar charger (70A out from 90A supply) to its full capacity, can I install this anyway and enjoy the higher charge rate (56A out, about 45mi/hour charging) and lower cost of install than the Tesla brand HPWC? Yes I plan twin chargers in my Model S to take advantage of this.
This is important information. I was considering getting the second charger just as an "insurance policy" in case there's suddenly a huge deployment of 70amp (or even 60amp) AC chargers. Which could happen, if some other car company decides to make that their standard charger, which could happen, or if some agency or non-profit or corporation decides that that's what to deploy, which could happen.
But if it can get installed later, then there's no particular reason to get it now. I can wait until the announcement of such a set of chargers and THEN get it added.
So what EVSE are you planning on using? The UMC? And if so, how were you going to plug your UMC into the 70 amp circuit? Or were you planning on purchasing a 3rd party EVSE to draw from the 70 amp circuit? I'd warn you that there are very few residential EVSEs that will support higher than a 40 amp circuit. Lloyd has one but I think his is a commercial Eaton that's rated for 70 amps and it was $3000+.
For my residence I bought on eBay a new in box TS-70 for$900. I added J1772 for about $400, and was able to keep 70 amps. For my office I felt it necessary to keep 70 amp minimum as a standard for the upcomming larger battery formats as with the Tesla madel S . The only unit that with credit card swiping for payment will do that is Eaton's EVSE! My cost was $4000 plus about $1000 in materials for installation, plus 1000 for a Bullard to protect the unit in the parking lot.
More locations need to install higher amperage EVSE's to make charge times reasonable for distance charging.
Thanks for the clarification, Lloyd. Forgot that your Eaton was at your office and was so expensive because of the credit card ability. Plus, it was even more expensive than I recalled (gulp). Agreed that I'd LOVE to see more high amperage EVSEs out and about.
ModelS1079
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Lloyd and Spleen, I have to note that after much thinking and reading, I am reminded that I should stick to what I know (don't ask) and not things electrical. So I decided - pending estimates/conversations with electricians over the coming few weeks - to spend the extra and put in a sweet, shiny Tesla-Branded HPWC; I may try and crank it up to to 100A in/80A out to enjoy the full 62mi/hr of charging for those rare-but-concerning times I'd like to juice up fast. As noted, am putting in Twin Chargers. Thanks for all your feedback and explanations. Have learned much, am humbled greatly.
Just got off the phone with the 'configuration specialist'.
I wanted to change an option on my order and they were surprisingly resistant to making any change now the my MVPA was signed (signed last Thursday).
I just thought I would pass this along to everyone since previously it seemed Tesla was pretty receptive to changes.
....Not anymore.
So don't expect to be able to change things once you're locked in.
I wanted to change an option on my order and they were surprisingly resistant to making any change now the my MVPA was signed (signed last Thursday).
I just thought I would pass this along to everyone since previously it seemed Tesla was pretty receptive to changes.
....Not anymore.
So don't expect to be able to change things once you're locked in.
teslasguy
MSP P#1117
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
Were you "upgrading" (higher cost options) or "downgrading" (lower cost?)
I suspect if upgrading they'd be ok with it, and downgrading not so much...unless it's a relatively minor difference.
I was making the HUGE change of going from Silver 21s to the Gray 21s on my Performance model. No cost difference.
Given that I've seen some of the earlier reservation numbers be a little schizophrenic with changing their options back and forth I wanted to let everyone now that Tesla seems to be less easygoing about things and trying to hold you to your original configuration once the MVPA is signed.
Given that I've seen some of the earlier reservation numbers be a little schizophrenic with changing their options back and forth I wanted to let everyone now that Tesla seems to be less easygoing about things and trying to hold you to your original configuration once the MVPA is signed.
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