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Afternoon all

Discussion in 'The UK and Ireland' started by MOzzA, Sep 29, 2017.

  1. MOzzA

    MOzzA Member

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    Hoping to be in a position to become a Tesla driver before the end of the year.

    Currently debating the Used vs New Inventories.

    Requirements are

    0-60 in less than 5 secs
    Free Supercharger access (I am aware of referrals but only know one other Tesla driver) I guess attached to me rather than the car but also appreciate the perk is almost dead.
    Autopilot
    Not white!!!
    Not beige!!!

    Ideally 250 miles range (3 days commuting)

    Tempted by either a 75D or 85.

    Advice or experiences most welcome.

    Cheers

    MOz
     
  2. WannabeOwner

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    You'll be inundated with people saying "Use mine" :)

    Don't think you'll get that, other than in the top-end models. The Sub 5-second might require a "P", and that will be less frugal than a non-P.

    Charge every night? Then you leave home with a "full tank" every day. (25,000 miles a year, assuming you charge on E7, is about £600 a year for "fuel") (EDIT: What's that at 30 MPG in an ICE? £4,500 or thereabouts I think?)

    I have a P90D, 100% charge is 220 miles on a warm, but not heatwave, day. In winter maybe 20% less than that. I don't run it to empty (well ... I have crawled home once with only 2 miles left ...) so I allow a 20 mile "buffer" when considering my range - so 200 miles tops. if I have a journey that is 160 miles, or more, I charge to 100% to give me a buffer.
     
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    Ah ... first post, I only now spotted. Welcome :)
     
  4. Barry Baird

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    I have a new Tesla, Model S 75kwh, This will get you at least 230miles on a full charge and i drive fairly fast, also does Sub 5sec, So no P model required,
     
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  5. WannabeOwner

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    You're doing a lot better than I am!!

    Out of curiosity I had a look at my history stats in TeslaFi (showing my real-world monthly-average):

    July 350 Wh/Mile
    March 390 Wh/Mile
    January 430 Wh/Mile

    I had a look at a "reasonably average" journey in TeslaFi during July. 80 MPH for 60% of the journey, then 73 MPH (Cameras on that bit ...), then a slower bit for 10% near destination. No delays on Motorway. Outside temperature was 21C

    101.76 Miles Driven
    111.57 Typical Miles Used
    369 Wh/Mile - so I must have been hoofing it a bit, or the 80 MPH cruise was doing that ...
    Avg Speed 69 MPH
    Battery Usage 45% 37.59 kWh

    So on that basis my range would have been 226 miles - maybe my mental 220 miles is not so far off then, and your S75 is a lot more frugal than my P90D !!
     
  6. arcus

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    Welcome! You really don't need to be too concerned about sub 5 sec part. If you haven't been in Tesla before you will quickly understand once you have a chance to experience it.

    Are you planning to use the full range every day? You have mentioned 3 days, so I assume not. As long as you plug it either at work or at home for the night you really don't need to be concerned about the range. I have a "base" model 75 and it does just fine doing daily commute and run errands.

    Depending on your budget, you might want to check out CPO market or you can "score" a well-equipped inventory model that will have all options you are looking for.
     
  7. cezdoc

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    Regarding range, you need to factor in the effect of starting from cold and overnight "vampire" losses if you're looking at only charging once every 3 days. Gradual losses during an overnight stop plus a cold start can gobble up 10% before you've covered the first mile. Practical range for regular use is 90%-10% - it's bad for the battery and your nerves to regularly stray outside these limits. And remember you need to have enough to cover travel in the depths of winter when energy use might be 25-30% higher.

    So as mentioned above I'd be looking to charge daily or every other day if you're doing 80 miles a day, in which case either a 75 or 85 should be fine.
     
  8. MOzzA

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    Daily charge is do-able but work charging is no chance. I wanted to try and find the best way to keep the costs down. My Ovo deal is locked in for 2 years and I don't think they offer E7 type tariffs but I could be wrong. I have a smart meter so hopefully I could switch tariffs.

    I do want a sub 5 sec 60 (I've raced Superbikes in the past) and anything slower is not enough to satisfy!!! I've also heard a base 75 is not available anymore so I think a new 75D might be he way forward with reasonable range and a 4.2 60 time.

    I have driven a P90D with ludicrous so I know what they're like!!!!

    Thanks for the replies. I'll keep you all posted. Hopefully with a car sale imminent I'll have the deposit available in the next fortnight so the referral deadline should be met.
     
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    Sounds like your mind is already set! Go for it :)
     
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    I am averaging 300wh miles in my 75kwh. And this mainly consists of driving on motorways, duel carriageways and A roads. Realistically if you stuck to speed limits you would be sub 300 easily.
     
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    I can second this. Closing in on 8000 miles and my average is 280 so far.
     
  12. MOzzA

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    A couple of questions. Bear in mind I'm UK!!

    The referral free supercharging access is yours for life no matter what Tesla you end up driving. Is this true? This is what the Knutsford dealer told me.

    I've heard that the referrals will cease to exist by the end of Oct 2017? Again, is this true?

    How many Tesla employees actually post on here to allow some credence to the info we read???
     
  13. arcus

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    The free supercharging is yours for any S or X model you buy. No time bomb. The updated referral program continues to offer free unlimited supercharging, but the $1000 purchase price discount is only vaild for vehicles purchased before Oct 31st, 2017.

    AFAIK Tesla employees are not allowed to offer referral codes (unless something has changed lately).
     
  14. MOzzA

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    If I buy a 3 after I finish with my S will I still get free supercharging considering my referral and S driving past (theoretically)?
     
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    I don't want a Tesla employee referral, just some knowledge over what info is genuine and what is internet forum fiction
     
  16. jareade

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    No, no free supercharging on the 3 for anyone. And referral codes not valid on the 3.
     
  17. arcus

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    Do you mean passing the free supercharing on from S to 3? Unlikely. Model 3 is not considered in this promotion at all. There might be some other referrals for Model 3 in future, who knows. Given 400 000+ pre-orders/reservations I don't think there's any incentive for Tesla to provide any at the moment.
     
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    No fiction required: Referral Program
     
  19. MOzzA

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    But the impression my local Tesla dealer gave me was the unlimited Supercharging was linked to me as an individual (for life) not the car. I wondered if it meant as long as I own and drive a Tesla (no matter what model) the Supercharging would always be free. This referral for free supercharging ends at the end of this year meaning early Tesla buyers (before the 3 floods the market) are rewarded for their loyalty.

    Looks like that might be bullshite hence me wondering what info is fact and what is fiction (not restricted to referral info either).
     
  20. arcus

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    Ah, now I get what you're saying. What my DS (Delivery Specialist) has confirmed was that the free supercharging stays with me for life as long as I own my original or replacement S/X. So, it is transferrable from vehicle to vehicle under my name. No word on model 3, but I assume that since it is excluded from this promotion in general, the free supercharging will not transfer if I would sell my S and buy 3 instead.
     

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