The 8c/kWh must feel like getting away with a crime, with those other rates on the table!
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AGL’s “Night Saver Energy Plan”
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Absolutely. It’s well worth setting timers to run everything in that window, erm I mean charge the car in that window.
Yeah only useful if your car is home during the day or you have a battery.
@Vostok i was listening to the RN today and this lady from a vineyard out in the country was saying how she bought 2 used Nissan Leaf’s for around $30k each (or something). She alternate charges them from solar and the free power window during the day. She leaves one at the house using V2L to power the house and runs errands in the other one. She was saying it is heaps cheaper than buying a “house battery” and her elec bill is $0. If they need 2 cars they just take them as no one would be home anyway haha. Clever!
Interesting, 30k is close to the price of 3x PW's so it's a pretty good deal, lol.
I've made jokes about the CT in the same way, you get much more than the equivalent in PW's and a free car thrown in, lol
40kw Leafs dropping in price now they running out new a few, Jap imports going $17-$20k now. 24kw Gen1 selling $8k-$10k
Yes be great to have V2H work off Tesla.. We have two and a lot of the time one is home.
Aren’t PW2’s about $15k fully installed these days?
So 2 x PW2 would be closer to the mark. But even a degraded LEAF battery will have significantly more capacity than PW2… unless it was a degraded Gen 1 LEAF (which it can’t be, because no Gen 1 would ever sell for $30k).
I haven't looked too deeply at quotes lately, but I've seen single installs for around 12k and they get cheaper the more you do, so I'm pretty confident that you could get 3 installed for very close to 30k.
Really not the point though, I love this idea, great out of the box thinking, getting more capacity cheaper and a free car thrown in.
I had 2 installed recently as part of a larger solar + battery + major rewiring job and the battery component was ~$24K.
Price guide is ~$15K for the first, ~$12K for each subsequent, less any discounts you can achieve...
Can I ask if you needed bollards/smoke detectors or any other extras?? (Usually associated with an internal install)
In Victoria the quote starts reasonably well then each one of those ‘extras’ mentioned above is $1k each, so it quickly runs away. There is some inspectors also insisting on 2 bollards as there may be some obscure bizarre angle that you could hit the battery from when driving into your own garage that you do on a daily basis.
In Victoria the quote starts reasonably well then each one of those ‘extras’ mentioned above is $1k each, so it quickly runs away. There is some inspectors also insisting on 2 bollards as there may be some obscure bizarre angle that you could hit the battery from when driving into your own garage that you do on a daily basis.
Batteries were installed on an outside wall down the side of the house so no bollards or detectors, etc.
However to meet mounting location codes there is a very long cable run to the switchboard and gateway which added costs...
And what is the kWh and discharge cycle difference between a powerwall and a leaf? I’d say the leaf would have quite a magnitude higher capacity?
Even if you didn’t use the car as a car it’s probably a reasonable way to save some money and help the environment in the long run?
I was watching the idiot box the other night and an advert came on for the new (very over priced) nisssn hybrid.
It would seem that their marketing people went to, and smoked bongs at the same underfunded TAFE that the Toyota marketing department went to as their catch phrase was “and with this advanced hybrid technology you will never need to worry about plugging in” which could be translated too “you will still need to buy petrol and pay us for servicing a petrol engine”, or “you only need to plug in to a petrol bowser and pay more than you would plugging in to your solar/off peak”.
Amazing.
Yeah, someone quoted the capacity earlier, I think they start at around 40kWh for the recent ones, not sure about the discharge capacity, but PW is only 5kW per unit, so it's definitely a viable alternative.
Yeah, agree, charging a hybrid using an engine has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever, lol
Had a discussion with a couple of developers from Amber yesterday and asked them about V2L and if they had any plans. They indicated they had some very early testing going with a couple of models including Leaf, not sure the extent and they didn't want to say too much obviously as it is very early, but that's promising too.
One of them was aware of the recent tests that had been done with Model 3/Y doing V2L via the DC so hopefully they are at least thinking about potential solutions there (would need some sort of hardware to make that work as it's DC out, but if there was a way to have that feed back into a battery, that would be awesome)
One of them was aware of the recent tests that had been done with Model 3/Y doing V2L via the DC so hopefully they are at least thinking about potential solutions there (would need some sort of hardware to make that work as it's DC out, but if there was a way to have that feed back into a battery, that would be awesome)
Honestly it seems like the marketing people have done their jobs properly to make the best of it. It's not their fault the product people have handed them such a turkey to sell.
Yeah maybe I’m being a bit harsh. I guess once you’ve broken free of the mind prison you see things differently.
This kind of FOMO/Fear type mis-advertising has a limited shelf life and might not be as effective as the generations evolve (hopefully!).
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A little off topic but we have a similar setup. 2 Power walls with current capacity of 28.5 kWh, 5 Kw of Solar, a Nissan Leaf 30kWh, (currently down to about 18kWh) and an M3. Up here we have no special plans, just 30c to buy and 8c FIT. We were going to double the solar and may still do so, but opted for the second battery first, as my eternal hearts desire does not understand why she can not plug in and charge her Leaf whenever she remembers. Hence we added the second battery instead, which give the house more capacity than her car. So if she does pump a powerwall into her car at night we are still not drawing from the grid.
Since adding the second battery 6 months ago we have neither drawn from the grid, or used a public EV charger within 100Ks from home. It may not make economic sense but it keeps her happy. BTW our initial FIT (expired last Dec) had paid for the solar & first battery so currently we are only out of pocket for the second.
Switched from Tesla Energy Plan (VPP, Energy Locals) which happened yesterday but the Powerwall is not back under my control yet.
Which means it's charging at expensive times and discharging for a pittance meanwhile not covering me for multiples of that FiT.
Ridiculous. So I've turned it off at the switch until it's back under my control.
Neither energy company says they can do anything, something about AusGrid will get round to it in a a few days ish.
Which means it's charging at expensive times and discharging for a pittance meanwhile not covering me for multiples of that FiT.
Ridiculous. So I've turned it off at the switch until it's back under my control.
Neither energy company says they can do anything, something about AusGrid will get round to it in a a few days ish.
When I left Amber, it took a week before I actually was switched over to AGL. My PW2 had to be unenrolled by Tesla, as it was part of Amber’s VPP. I guess the difference is, once I was switched over to AGL, Amber were no longer sending my PW2 any commands even though it was still enrolled, so I could go back to doing whatever I wanted with it. Unenrolment happened a couple of days later.
I don’t think it has anything to do with Ausgrid
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