all weather 3PMSF tires Model Y 19" - searching by size vs model; Michelin CrossClimate 2 v. Toyo Celsius II v. Vredestein Quatrac Pro

[m25nyc]

I would like to replace my 2022 Model Y LR AWD 19" tires with all-weather tires (3-peak mountain snowflake rated). The Tesla came with OEM 255/45R-19 Continental Procontact RX grand touring all-season tires on Gemini 19" wheels.

If I search by make and model on Costco.com or SamsClub.com - I do not get any all-weather three-peak mountain snowflake (3PMSF) designated all-weather all season tires.

However serching by same 255/45 R19 many of these sites do have a Michelin CrossCllimate 2 in-stock. And over on TireRack.com there are 3 listed by vehicle (or by size): the Michelin CrossClimate 2, Toyo Celsius II, and Vredestein Quatrac Pro.

Do any of these fit equally well? Any thoughts on the these or others that would fit in terms of (a) quietest at highway speeds, (b) max range, (c) good snow performance but also fine in hot summers without changing to winter tires?

 

[QtownTaxiGreg]

As soon as you put Tesla in a tyre search bot it filters out anything that isn't special EV foam tyres. I think you need to be on supremely smooth running road surfaces at high speed to notice any noise difference from lack of foam.

Tread pattern is a different matter.

I have relatively cheap Nexen Nfera Supreme which are M&S rated four season. Early days but they are handling some humdinger frosts and ski road conditions well. No complaints on highway. I put them on 19x8.5 rims so there is some good kerb protection.

Mind your load ratings. XL is a good start.

Some of the fancy All Seasons have Directional tread. Personally I wouldn't bother as the only wheel rotation you can do is front / back on the same side.

 

[cloudflare69]

Continental ExtremeContact DWS06+

night and day difference from the OEM tires

 

[msinfo]

I use Vredestein WINTRAC PRO on R19 as my winter set. Good traction and thread life, very similar to Michelin X-Ice I've had before. Surprisingly quite. Slightly less traction on ice than blizzard tires I have on my wife's car but still quite good.

 

[Midnightsun]

Any of the "All Weather" tires you listed will perform well all year round. Most get confused with M&S and all seasons which are not winter rated tires. My preference is a dedicated winter tire on another set of wheels. This way you can do this at home, rotate the tires and lube the brakes at the same time getting the ultimate traction in both winter and summer. I do know quite a few people who have gone all weather, they are all pleased however they still rotate beginning and end of winter. Here in Quebec, Canada it is important as if you do not have winter rated tires on your car (snowflake peak symbol) during the winter months, you will get ticketed and you may be denied insurance coverage.

 

[jkdman123]

Continental ExtremeContact DWS06+

night and day difference from the OEM tires

I replaced the MXM4s that came on my M3 with these when they wore out (which was way earlier than they should have). Good tire.

The CrossClimates get complaints about noise as I recall.

 

[Noflash]

I would like to replace my 2022 Model Y LR AWD 19" tires with all-weather tires (3-peak mountain snowflake rated). The Tesla came with OEM 255/45R-19 Continental Procontact RX grand touring all-season tires on Gemini 19" wheels.

If I search by make and model on Costco.com or SamsClub.com - I do not get any all-weather three-peak mountain snowflake (3PMSF) designated all-weather all season tires.

However serching by same 255/45 R19 many of these sites do have a Michelin CrossCllimate 2 in-stock. And over on TireRack.com there are 3 listed by vehicle (or by size): the Michelin CrossClimate 2, Toyo Celsius II, and Vredestein Quatrac Pro.

Do any of these fit equally well? Any thoughts on the these or others that would fit in terms of (a) quietest at highway speeds, (b) max range, (c) good snow performance but also fine in hot summers without changing to winter tires?

I was surprised how poorly the Quatrac Pros were in the snow. The CC2s do well in the snow, but not noise and range. Acceptable tradeoffs for us. Its the car (mylr) we take to the mountains. My MYP on OEM pilot sports does fine in the Denver area year round.

 

[QtownTaxiGreg]

Any of the "All Weather" tires you listed will perform well all year round. Most get confused with M&S and all seasons which are not winter rated tires. My preference is a dedicated winter tire on another set of wheels. This way you can do this at home, rotate the tires and lube the brakes at the same time getting the ultimate traction in both winter and summer. I do know quite a few people who have gone all weather, they are all pleased however they still rotate beginning and end of winter. Here in Quebec, Canada it is important as if you do not have winter rated tires on your car (snowflake peak symbol) during the winter months, you will get ticketed and you may be denied insurance coverage.

There are also M&S tyres that have a 3Peak winter rating.

 

[Midnightsun]

There are also M&S tyres that have a 3Peak winter rating

I doubt it unless you can show me one, 2 completely different ratings. See here

 

[MattM24]

Any of the "All Weather" tires you listed will perform well all year round. Most get confused with M&S and all seasons which are not winter rated tires. My preference is a dedicated winter tire on another set of wheels. This way you can do this at home, rotate the tires and lube the brakes at the same time getting the ultimate traction in both winter and summer. I do know quite a few people who have gone all weather, they are all pleased however they still rotate beginning and end of winter. Here in Quebec, Canada it is important as if you do not have winter rated tires on your car (snowflake peak symbol) during the winter months, you will get ticketed and you may be denied insurance coverage.

M&S are winter rated in BC.

 

[m25nyc]

Here in Quebec, Canada it is important as if you do not have winter rated tires on your car (snowflake peak symbol) during the winter months, you will get ticketed and you may be denied insurance coverage.

Does ticketing non-winter rated cars include cars visiting from / registered in USA?

 

[m25nyc]

I was surprised how poorly the Quatrac Pros were in the snow. The CC2s do well in the snow, but not noise and range. Acceptable tradeoffs for us. Its the car (mylr) we take to the mountains. My MYP on OEM pilot sports does fine in the Denver area year round.

CC2s - how much worse on range, how much worse on noise, vs. OEM?

OEM Pilot in Denver - does this include on a day when it is snowing so heavily, the roads haven't been fully plowed yet and too heavy for the salting to have melted, and there's a "track" of squashed down snow /slush through a snow-covered highway?

 

[m25nyc]

Continental ExtremeContact DWS06+

night and day difference from the OEM tires

These seem M+S not all-weather 3PMSF. What type of snow, ice, slush have you had to drive on with them?

 

[m25nyc]

I use Vredestein WINTRAC PRO on R19 as my winter set. Good traction and thread life, very similar to Michelin X-Ice I've had before. Surprisingly quite. Slightly less traction on ice than blizzard tires I have on my wife's car but still quite good.

I'd prefer all-weather tires to winter tires so I don't have to swap the winter tires out each year.

I will mostly be driving on a well plowed highway not off-road, but frequent snow storm area where plowing can take a while - so am very anxious about M+S which tend to have very poor snow performance vs. all-weather.

No easy place to store a set of tires for the winter/summer sets which I know are ideal for maximum performance in winter vs. summer. All-weather seems like a good compromise but very few such products. Nokian WR G5 all-weather seems especially well reviewed but I don't think available yet in MY 19" 255/45R-19 size and buying new rims (different diameter & width for something Nokian has) seems too expensive plus the car might not show speedometer correctly.

 

[Midnightsun]

Does ticketing non-winter rated cars include cars visiting from / registered in USA?

No, only cars with Quebec plates.

 

[m25nyc]

I just found this thread with similar, longer discussion and one poster swears Continental ExtremeContact DWS06+ M+S are fantastic in snow and way better than OEM Continental ProContact RX, with no complaints on noise that some noticed with Michelin CrossClimate2 but another loves the CC2:

Help me decide on my next tires! (Michelin Cross Climate, Sport Pilot AS, Continental ExtremeContact DWS)

I recently asked the mods where to post tire Qs didn't get an answer. There really should be a tire thread across all models / sticky thread to make it easier to keep all discussions in one as these types of tire questions can be model-specific but also can be across-models.

 

[Noflash]

CC2s - how much worse on range, how much worse on noise, vs. OEM?

OEM Pilot in Denver - does this include on a day when it is snowing so heavily, the roads haven't been fully plowed yet and too heavy for the salting to have melted, and there's a "track" of squashed down snow /slush through a snow-covered highway?

Non-scientific answers... I guess 7-10% range loss. No perceived noise increase. PS was fine for every snow day in Denver last winter. If we were going to the mountains, we'd take the CC2s.

 

[m25nyc]

PS was fine for every snow day in Denver last winter. If we were going to the mountains, we'd take the CC2s.

Regarding the OEM tires being fine in Denver, how quickly are the streets cleared / salted / plowed where you live?

I have lived in NYC but no issues as the streets are cleared super fast and anyway I usually take the subway. Moving rural area with no subway - where plowing takes longer and easily 2" of fresh snow on the roads to have to drive to / from work, all types of snow from wet slush to dry powder depending on the storm.

 

[Noflash]

Regarding the OEM tires being fine in Denver, how quickly are the streets cleared / salted / plowed where you live?

I have lived in NYC but no issues as the streets are cleared super fast and anyway I usually take the subway. Moving rural area with no subway - where plowing takes longer and easily 2" of fresh snow on the roads to have to drive to / from work, all types of snow from wet slush to dry powder depending on the storm.

They do not plow my neighborhood, but at ~mile high, the snow melts quickly. I wouldn't worry about up to 4". Higher and I'd just be careful. If I was more rural, I'd consider a set of snow tires.

 

[chrisg05]

Regarding the OEM tires being fine in Denver, how quickly are the streets cleared / salted / plowed where you live?

I have lived in NYC but no issues as the streets are cleared super fast and anyway I usually take the subway. Moving rural area with no subway - where plowing takes longer and easily 2" of fresh snow on the roads to have to drive to / from work, all types of snow from wet slush to dry powder depending on the storm.

I went through last year with my model Y with the OEM tires all year round. I personally found I was not confortable driving in downstate NY winters with them especially when it snowed. My model Y stayed home and my wife’s model X with dedicated snow tires as well as my son’s model Y became the go to cars. What a difference.
Now I bought the cross climate 2 not for range or noise, but for what the tire had to offer. It is triple snow flake rated and I can see it just from looking at the sipes and tread design that it will be more than adequate for the snow and way better then most all seasons,
The tire itself is typical Michelin… rides good, turn in is excellent, handling is great, noise is good. Last Saturday we had a ton of rain in westchester county and I was on the saw mill river parkway going through turns like it was nothing.. no hydroplaning or anything. Great for a rear biased heavy crossover.
Moral of the story.. its a hell of a tire and worth every penny