Am I being stupid?

[cvrcv]

How much is your premium gas? I am computing 27g here at $3/g at your .11/mi rate.

So this means my wife's Prius would be about $3333 for 50K miles. Bleh.

I used $2.45/gallon and $0.195/kWh. From-the-wall usage is 523Wh/mi, also adding in 70 watts continuous vampire drain, over 4 years, with 91% charging efficiency.

 

[SSD420]

100D will happen the day after the referral program ends on January 15th. I don't have any evidence to back my fact

I know you're probably right but I decided a few months ago that my next tesla would be a performance model.

 

[SSD420]

P100D are on "sale" because they have had them a while. Probably orders that fell through for one reason or another.

I'd consider one, but insurance was high. Need to shop around insurance companies.

There is always going to be something better next month. AP2 was my trigger, car I have now on life support. I'd just like to see it do something. Else I'll be forced to ICE for another cycle.

My insurance is already ridiculously high for the 90D. How much worse can it get for the P100D? I think I paid $5876 for the year. (I have tickets).

 

[SSD420]

What is Destination Supercharging?


I would want to see the wk057 analysis to know if the usable battery is significantly different between the 90 and the 100.
Tesla Motors: PLEASE stop lying about specifications (60 to 75 upgrade)
How would level 2 charging be any quicker?

Maybe I'm using the terminology incorrectly? In the summer months I use superchargers to get to and from places. I use most of my energy to get "there..." to my destination.

 

[SSD420]

I was asking SSD420 what he meant by destination supercharging, trying to explore how that could relate to the timing of moving from a 90 to a 100 pack.

Free supercharging is all I was referring to. I use the superchargers in the summer getting to and from the cottage quite often. Especially when I don't leave from a full charge.

 

[SSD420]

Yeah, I think @SSD420 was being funny. I think he means that he does his "Destination Charging" at a "Supercharger".

Yes. This.

Thank you @vandacca

 

[brkaus]

My insurance is already ridiculously high for the 90D. How much worse can it get for the P100D? I think I paid $5876 for the year. (I have tickets).

A P100D was quoted double a 90D for me.

 

[SSD420]

Didn't Tesla charge $2k for free supercharging at one point? Wouldn't be surprising if they brought that back.

Also, is it confirmed that the supercharging continues for the life of the car with all owners? Or only the original owner? If you change the battery park, does it also go away? Lots of unanswered questions it seems.

Tesla has confirmed with me that the free supercharging remains with the life of the car.

I got quoted on trading in my MX 90D and specifically asked this if I were to sell my car privately. They confirmed that this will also help combat depreciation with the small battery sizes.

 

[SSD420]

A P100D was quoted double a 90D for me.

Seriously ?? Uh oh... I better call my insurance broker before confirming my P100D...

 

[brkaus]

Seriously ?? Uh oh... I better call my insurance broker before confirming my P100D...

I pulled some VIN numbers from the inventory cars for my insurance dude. He couldn't quote on model numbers.

But, I will say, I didn't shop around at all. I've decided I don't need the P model. Could likely find a better deal. So don't panic, just be informed.

 

[SSD420]

I pulled some VIN numbers from the inventory cars for my insurance dude. He couldn't quote on model numbers.

But, I will say, I didn't shop around at all. I've decided I don't need the P model. Could likely find a better deal. So don't panic, just be informed.

Are you in Canada or the USA? (Or neither)

 

[cdub]

We also know that 100's have passive cooling, thus increasing effective range by reducing parasite losses.

If the only have passive cooling that's horrible. My 2011 LEAF has that and it now has 50-60% of it's original range.

 

[brkaus]

Are you in Canada or the USA? (Or neither)

USA

 

[PedanticOne]

I used $2.45/gallon and $0.195/kWh. From-the-wall usage is 523Wh/mi, also adding in 70 watts continuous vampire drain, over 4 years, with 91% charging efficiency.

How are you measuring your from-the-wall usage btw?

 

[K-MTG]

My insurance is already ridiculously high for the 90D. How much worse can it get for the P100D? I think I paid $5876 for the year. (I have tickets).

What! Mine is like $500, though a 1k deductible

 

[jbcarioca]

If the only have passive cooling that's horrible. My 2011 LEAF has that and it now has 50-60% of it's original range.

No, NO. NOT tehe same thing. Tesla has heat pipes, which are far more efficient and faster than is the air-conditioner-based technology previously employed. Tesla's is called passive because teh only moving part is coolant, but the coolant goes from liquid to gas as it absorbs heat then reverts to liquid as it gives off heat. The entire process is very fast, very efficient and cheaper than what came before it.

Please accept my apologies for calling this simply "passive cooling". It is misleading!

Here is the link that explains why this is wonderful: 100kWh pack - geometry, pack density and ... immersion cooling?

 

[SSD420]

What! Mine is like $500, though a 1k deductible

How many traffic tickets do you have?

 

[K-MTG]

How many traffic tickets do you have?

0

 

[Jrogville]

No, NO. NOT tehe same thing. Tesla has heat pipes, which are far more efficient and faster than is the air-conditioner-based technology previously employed. Tesla's is called passive because teh only moving part is coolant, but the coolant goes from liquid to gas as it absorbs heat then reverts to liquid as it gives off heat. The entire process is very fast, very efficient and cheaper than what came before it.

Please accept my apologies for calling this simply "passive cooling". It is misleading!

Here is the link that explains why this is wonderful: 100kWh pack - geometry, pack density and ... immersion cooling?

The improvement in milage between the 90 and the 100 doesn't seem that significant right now. Does the performance thing really take that much of a toll?

 

[jbcarioca]

The improvement in milage between the 90 and the 100 doesn't seem that significant right now. Does the performance thing really take that much of a toll?

I am not the definitive expert by any means. There are a few electrical engineers on the forum who are...
I think the biggest direct impact will be in reduction of passive losses when battery cooling is required plus seriously improved reliability and longevity.. Otherwise the greater mechanical simplicity and reduced weight probably are the larger factors. I hope we can get authoritative answers to these questions soon. To do so we'll probably need to wait for some new pack experience to accumulate.