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Tl;dr. Great car, terrible build quality with cheap trim pieces.

Good. If this is the future, I'm here for it (not that I have a choice about avoiding the future). Quiet (double panel glass). The power is so instant at any speed that I find myself thinking about doing reckless things (only on a closed track).

Personnel. Super super nice. When the delivery agent saw that my 1.5yo daughter had a toy car (Lotus Exige) in her hand, he offered us a toy Model 3 for her. We accepted. It's a kindness we did not expect but very much appreciated.

Service. Holy cow the service guy who showed up at my door was nice. Agreeable, helpful, and just pleasant. I mean he's the kind of guy I'd invite to dinner. I had every plan to list all of the awful POS things about the Model Y, but he really changed the tone because he's just so gosh-darn nice. So while I still listed all the things wrong with the car, we mostly laughed about it. . .he didn't admit anything, just knowingly laughed. THIS is how Lexus clobbered the Germans. You can't have happy employees unless you treat your people respectfully, with kindness, and in good humor. This is just another data point towards my suspicion that Musk is a benevolent genius (contra evil genius, e.g. Mr. Bigglesworth). I wish him well and hope he succeeds in his visions for energy and transportation.

Bad. Materials. Holy cow they're awful. The trim piece that surrounds the pano-roof is this flimsy velvety plastic sheet that is less than three sheets of 30lb paper. Really, it's thin. If the pano-roof weren't UV radiant, I can't imagine it would be very long before it cracked and tore.

Plastic is worse than a Toyota Corolla. In fairness, the Corolla has benefitted from trickle down quality from Lexus, but for a cheap car, the quality of high-touch materials is way better. I just don't have confidence that the materials will nearly match the longevity of the electric powertrain.

Build quality. Who built this?! British Leyland?! 70s Rovers had more consistent panel gaps!. . .ok, not really, but you get my point. And trim pieces keep failing!

The rear hatch is crooked. To the untrained eye, you'll never notice it, but the right hinge is slightly higher than the left hinge, causing the right side of the hatch to rise 1mm above the top of the roof. Picky? Yes. And in fairness, tight panel gaps are trade secrets, and I'm sure Tesla will continue to improve them.

The driver rear door card kept popping out and preventing the door from opening. Tesla service tech looked at it and discovered some fasteners were never put in. He didn't seem surprised. I then made a joke about how this car rolled off the assembly plant that also made the world's most reliable car. . .the Toyota Corolla and (at the time) Geo Prizm. We had a good time, making the best of what should never have been an issue.

Lost a Gemini wheel cover and a wheel arch trim piece came loose when it went through high(ish) water. Compartment under the trunk panel flooded in that same high(ish) water. Water never got as high as the top of the door sill. Absurd.

Some bad designs. Rear valence panel folded backwards when driven in that high(ish) water. Really. Required a floor jack and zip ties before the Tesla tech came and patched it up.

Road feel. Nothing comes through the steering wheel. It's more disconnected than a. . .um. . .I don't think I've ever driven a car with so little steering feel (that had a proper alignment). I was curious about taking the car onto a track because of the acceleration and low center of gravity, until I drove it. No interest now. Guess I'm going to get that Viagra script filled after all. . .

The Aw Come On Now stuff. To Tesla's credit, everything keeps improving. Fiat and Renault would have just shrugged their shoulders, blamed the consumer, and left. . .oh wait, they did. I've seen panel gaps on Model Xs that could be seen from 8ft away (ask me how I know). I've seen Model S with curvy stitching that should have been straight. Those thing have been fixed in our Model Y. For a company that started producing its own cars (Roadster was made by Lotus, fight me!) only 9 years ago, Tesla's build quality improvements have been remarkable. Their meteoric rise, IMO, is well deserved: they keep improving. Now, I wonder if Tesla would consider buying Alfa Romeo. . .

Oh, and I don't like that the car thinks for me. I can't gripe at that too much. . .it's an electronic car, of course it's going to think for me.

Conclusion so far. It's the best $15,000 car I've ever driven. I'm not sure if I should be so tolerant that it ran $65k. But once I overlook the trim, the car is extraordinary. It's also lifeless. . .which goes in line with overlooking all of the pieces I'd be touching. So I guess the future is extraordinary if lifeless. Guess I'll just have to figure out that future with the same accusations that my parents complained about the present. 😉
 
Just checked out a Mach-E. Same issues all around with regards to quality, panel gaps, and overall fit and finish. If you don't believe me, go check it out. Even the glossy trim along the bottom of the doors is all wavy/warped and looks really bad when shined up and the light hits it. I admit a good deal of the interior pieces in the Mach-E are higher quality, and there are many more parts that make up the Mach-E interior, which makes it feel "richer" or more "complete", but it doesn't make it necessarily better in my mind. The Mach-E does drive better in terms of steering feel, road noise and ride quality, however, I can't believe how much smaller the interior is than my MY. Both the trunk and frunk, and lack of storage under the rear trunk makes it not useful for my family. I take a lot of road trips in my MY, most around 155-175 miles at a time, and I pack every storage compartment. I would need a small trailer with the Mach-E. Also, out of 10K miles, I've supercharged roughly 2,000 miles, which has been unbelievably easy to find a supercharger and to use one. I come from a 3 years of owning a BMW PHEV, and thankfully I never had to rely on the electric motor for primary propulsion, as I would have been left stranded. It is much more difficult it is to rely on non-Tesla superchargers, and I challenge anyone to argue this point with me, at least on the US East coast. I have at least 4 different charging network apps/accounts, fobs, etc., and they all work differently, are not consistent to find, are difficult to know without physically visiting them whether they are in use or broken, and around 25% of the time, they don't work at all. And on top of the charging experience, I've relied on mobile service for a few items, and it has been flawless. My local SC is also excellent. Total ownership experience keeps me with Tesla.
 
TL;DR
Model Y is doing fine and the FUD isn't working.



Tl;dr. Great car, terrible build quality with cheap trim pieces.

Good. If this is the future, I'm here for it (not that I have a choice about avoiding the future). Quiet (double panel glass). The power is so instant at any speed that I find myself thinking about doing reckless things (only on a closed track).

Personnel. Super super nice. When the delivery agent saw that my 1.5yo daughter had a toy car (Lotus Exige) in her hand, he offered us a toy Model 3 for her. We accepted. It's a kindness we did not expect but very much appreciated.

Service. Holy cow the service guy who showed up at my door was nice. Agreeable, helpful, and just pleasant. I mean he's the kind of guy I'd invite to dinner. I had every plan to list all of the awful POS things about the Model Y, but he really changed the tone because he's just so gosh-darn nice. So while I still listed all the things wrong with the car, we mostly laughed about it. . .he didn't admit anything, just knowingly laughed. THIS is how Lexus clobbered the Germans. You can't have happy employees unless you treat your people respectfully, with kindness, and in good humor. This is just another data point towards my suspicion that Musk is a benevolent genius (contra evil genius, e.g. Mr. Bigglesworth). I wish him well and hope he succeeds in his visions for energy and transportation.

Bad. Materials. Holy cow they're awful. The trim piece that surrounds the pano-roof is this flimsy velvety plastic sheet that is less than three sheets of 30lb paper. Really, it's thin. If the pano-roof weren't UV radiant, I can't imagine it would be very long before it cracked and tore.

Plastic is worse than a Toyota Corolla. In fairness, the Corolla has benefitted from trickle down quality from Lexus, but for a cheap car, the quality of high-touch materials is way better. I just don't have confidence that the materials will nearly match the longevity of the electric powertrain.

Build quality. Who built this?! British Leyland?! 70s Rovers had more consistent panel gaps!. . .ok, not really, but you get my point. And trim pieces keep failing!

The rear hatch is crooked. To the untrained eye, you'll never notice it, but the right hinge is slightly higher than the left hinge, causing the right side of the hatch to rise 1mm above the top of the roof. Picky? Yes. And in fairness, tight panel gaps are trade secrets, and I'm sure Tesla will continue to improve them.

The driver rear door card kept popping out and preventing the door from opening. Tesla service tech looked at it and discovered some fasteners were never put in. He didn't seem surprised. I then made a joke about how this car rolled off the assembly plant that also made the world's most reliable car. . .the Toyota Corolla and (at the time) Geo Prizm. We had a good time, making the best of what should never have been an issue.

Lost a Gemini wheel cover and a wheel arch trim piece came loose when it went through high(ish) water. Compartment under the trunk panel flooded in that same high(ish) water. Water never got as high as the top of the door sill. Absurd.

Some bad designs. Rear valence panel folded backwards when driven in that high(ish) water. Really. Required a floor jack and zip ties before the Tesla tech came and patched it up.

Road feel. Nothing comes through the steering wheel. It's more disconnected than a. . .um. . .I don't think I've ever driven a car with so little steering feel (that had a proper alignment). I was curious about taking the car onto a track because of the acceleration and low center of gravity, until I drove it. No interest now. Guess I'm going to get that Viagra script filled after all. . .

The Aw Come On Now stuff. To Tesla's credit, everything keeps improving. Fiat and Renault would have just shrugged their shoulders, blamed the consumer, and left. . .oh wait, they did. I've seen panel gaps on Model Xs that could be seen from 8ft away (ask me how I know). I've seen Model S with curvy stitching that should have been straight. Those thing have been fixed in our Model Y. For a company that started producing its own cars (Roadster was made by Lotus, fight me!) only 9 years ago, Tesla's build quality improvements have been remarkable. Their meteoric rise, IMO, is well deserved: they keep improving. Now, I wonder if Tesla would consider buying Alfa Romeo. . .

Oh, and I don't like that the car thinks for me. I can't gripe at that too much. . .it's an electronic car, of course it's going to think for me.

Conclusion so far. It's the best $15,000 car I've ever driven. I'm not sure if I should be so tolerant that it ran $65k. But once I overlook the trim, the car is extraordinary. It's also lifeless. . .which goes in line with overlooking all of the pieces I'd be touching. So I guess the future is extraordinary if lifeless. Guess I'll just have to figure out that future with the same accusations that my parents complained about the present. 😉
 
Just checked out a Mach-E. Same issues all around with regards to quality, panel gaps, and overall fit and finish. If you don't believe me, go check it out. Even the glossy trim along the bottom of the doors is all wavy/warped and looks really bad when shined up and the light hits it. I admit a good deal of the interior pieces in the Mach-E are higher quality, and there are many more parts that make up the Mach-E interior, which makes it feel "richer" or more "complete", but it doesn't make it necessarily better in my mind. The Mach-E does drive better in terms of steering feel, road noise and ride quality, however, I can't believe how much smaller the interior is than my MY. Both the trunk and frunk, and lack of storage under the rear trunk makes it not useful for my family. I take a lot of road trips in my MY, most around 155-175 miles at a time, and I pack every storage compartment. I would need a small trailer with the Mach-E. Also, out of 10K miles, I've supercharged roughly 2,000 miles, which has been unbelievably easy to find a supercharger and to use one. I come from a 3 years of owning a BMW PHEV, and thankfully I never had to rely on the electric motor for primary propulsion, as I would have been left stranded. It is much more difficult it is to rely on non-Tesla superchargers, and I challenge anyone to argue this point with me, at least on the US East coast. I have at least 4 different charging network apps/accounts, fobs, etc., and they all work differently, are not consistent to find, are difficult to know without physically visiting them whether they are in use or broken, and around 25% of the time, they don't work at all. And on top of the charging experience, I've relied on mobile service for a few items, and it has been flawless. My local SC is also excellent. Total ownership experience keeps me with Tesla.
10/10 agree with ownership experience. The delivery experience was no non-sense. The agent was there to answer questions if you had any and ready to leave you alone if you didn't (we didn't). Yes, the gift to our baby cost Tesla diddly/squat, but the amount of good-will it got from us in return!

I asked the mobile service tech who came if Tesla treated them well. He said they did. When you treat your front line folks right, they turn around and treat customers/clients right.

The customer experience so far has been extraordinary.

I've recommended Tesla to several folks (even before we got ours) with reservations. The reservations continue, but they're becoming less significant.
 
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TL;DR
Model Y is doing fine and the FUD isn't working.

I think the competition for Tesla will likely come from the VW Group. They've basically taken the Tesla playbook and cribbed it. Tesla's refinement is so good that the Taycan can't compete with the LR MY. Besides the battery and drivetrain tech advantage Tesla has, I suspect Tesla's got a long head start in packaging as well. I think it'll take one or two generations (model cycles) for VW to catch up.
 
Tl;dr. Great car, terrible build quality with cheap trim pieces.

Good. If this is the future, I'm here for it (not that I have a choice about avoiding the future). Quiet (double panel glass). The power is so instant at any speed that I find myself thinking about doing reckless things (only on a closed track).

Personnel. Super super nice. When the delivery agent saw that my 1.5yo daughter had a toy car (Lotus Exige) in her hand, he offered us a toy Model 3 for her. We accepted. It's a kindness we did not expect but very much appreciated.

Service. Holy cow the service guy who showed up at my door was nice. Agreeable, helpful, and just pleasant. I mean he's the kind of guy I'd invite to dinner. I had every plan to list all of the awful POS things about the Model Y, but he really changed the tone because he's just so gosh-darn nice. So while I still listed all the things wrong with the car, we mostly laughed about it. . .he didn't admit anything, just knowingly laughed. THIS is how Lexus clobbered the Germans. You can't have happy employees unless you treat your people respectfully, with kindness, and in good humor. This is just another data point towards my suspicion that Musk is a benevolent genius (contra evil genius, e.g. Mr. Bigglesworth). I wish him well and hope he succeeds in his visions for energy and transportation.

Bad. Materials. Holy cow they're awful. The trim piece that surrounds the pano-roof is this flimsy velvety plastic sheet that is less than three sheets of 30lb paper. Really, it's thin. If the pano-roof weren't UV radiant, I can't imagine it would be very long before it cracked and tore.

Plastic is worse than a Toyota Corolla. In fairness, the Corolla has benefitted from trickle down quality from Lexus, but for a cheap car, the quality of high-touch materials is way better. I just don't have confidence that the materials will nearly match the longevity of the electric powertrain.

Build quality. Who built this?! British Leyland?! 70s Rovers had more consistent panel gaps!. . .ok, not really, but you get my point. And trim pieces keep failing!

The rear hatch is crooked. To the untrained eye, you'll never notice it, but the right hinge is slightly higher than the left hinge, causing the right side of the hatch to rise 1mm above the top of the roof. Picky? Yes. And in fairness, tight panel gaps are trade secrets, and I'm sure Tesla will continue to improve them.

The driver rear door card kept popping out and preventing the door from opening. Tesla service tech looked at it and discovered some fasteners were never put in. He didn't seem surprised. I then made a joke about how this car rolled off the assembly plant that also made the world's most reliable car. . .the Toyota Corolla and (at the time) Geo Prizm. We had a good time, making the best of what should never have been an issue.

Lost a Gemini wheel cover and a wheel arch trim piece came loose when it went through high(ish) water. Compartment under the trunk panel flooded in that same high(ish) water. Water never got as high as the top of the door sill. Absurd.

Some bad designs. Rear valence panel folded backwards when driven in that high(ish) water. Really. Required a floor jack and zip ties before the Tesla tech came and patched it up.

Road feel. Nothing comes through the steering wheel. It's more disconnected than a. . .um. . .I don't think I've ever driven a car with so little steering feel (that had a proper alignment). I was curious about taking the car onto a track because of the acceleration and low center of gravity, until I drove it. No interest now. Guess I'm going to get that Viagra script filled after all. . .

The Aw Come On Now stuff. To Tesla's credit, everything keeps improving. Fiat and Renault would have just shrugged their shoulders, blamed the consumer, and left. . .oh wait, they did. I've seen panel gaps on Model Xs that could be seen from 8ft away (ask me how I know). I've seen Model S with curvy stitching that should have been straight. Those thing have been fixed in our Model Y. For a company that started producing its own cars (Roadster was made by Lotus, fight me!) only 9 years ago, Tesla's build quality improvements have been remarkable. Their meteoric rise, IMO, is well deserved: they keep improving. Now, I wonder if Tesla would consider buying Alfa Romeo. . .

Oh, and I don't like that the car thinks for me. I can't gripe at that too much. . .it's an electronic car, of course it's going to think for me.

Conclusion so far. It's the best $15,000 car I've ever driven. I'm not sure if I should be so tolerant that it ran $65k. But once I overlook the trim, the car is extraordinary. It's also lifeless. . .which goes in line with overlooking all of the pieces I'd be touching. So I guess the future is extraordinary if lifeless. Guess I'll just have to figure out that future with the same accusations that my parents complained about the present. 😉

Thanks for a thoughtful, reflective and humorous post. Welcome to the community, and enjoy the Tesla experience. Cheers.
 
just FYI, the double pane glass doesn't do differently than the single pane for acoustics. it's about safety

build quality - funny you should mention rover. their build quality is pretty atrocious Jaguar Land Rover Is Working to Fix Its Biggest Problem honestly the take away is that Tesla is probably in-line with the rest of the industry, just more heavily scrutinized by their customers and the press. here's an article that takes this on What's The Truth About Tesla Model 3 Build Quality? I haven't seen any proper DATA around the build quality as it compares to other car manufacturers
 
We own both a Model Y and a VW ID.4.

Fit and finish on the VW is miles ahead of the Tesla, it's not even close. VW ride is more comfortable, quieter. Turning radius on the ID.4 smokes the MY (helpful in urban environments where parking spots are hard to come by. CarPlay on the VW is a gamechanger and highlights the shortcomings of Tesla's closed system. Cabin feels roomier, especially the back seats.

Tesla's performance off the line is unparalleled and the VW can't touch it. Charging all the way around is miles ahead of VW - charges faster on a Level 2, the Electrify America network is a disaster currently. Most stations listed are "coming soon," and those up and running are rife with poor check-in reports on PlugShare. Any charger with a card reader is going to fail compared to the Supercharger network and its plug and charge approach, but even so EA stations are finicky and frustrating. The VW is my (non-techie) wife's car, and she's pretty much given up on the free charging offered by VW for three years with the purchase of an ID.4 because it never works. ID.4 has no frunk, so Tesla wins there.
 
We own both a Model Y and a VW ID.4.

Fit and finish on the VW is miles ahead of the Tesla, it's not even close. VW ride is more comfortable, quieter. Turning radius on the ID.4 smokes the MY (helpful in urban environments where parking spots are hard to come by. CarPlay on the VW is a gamechanger and highlights the shortcomings of Tesla's closed system. Cabin feels roomier, especially the back seats.

Tesla's performance off the line is unparalleled and the VW can't touch it. Charging all the way around is miles ahead of VW - charges faster on a Level 2, the Electrify America network is a disaster currently. Most stations listed are "coming soon," and those up and running are rife with poor check-in reports on PlugShare. Any charger with a card reader is going to fail compared to the Supercharger network and its plug and charge approach, but even so EA stations are finicky and frustrating. The VW is my (non-techie) wife's car, and she's pretty much given up on the free charging offered by VW for three years with the purchase of an ID.4 because it never works. ID.4 has no frunk, so Tesla wins there.

Agree with VW vs. Tesla fit and finish, and as with the Mach-E, I found the ID.4 even smaller than my MY (I fully fill the frunk and under my rear trunk), and it simply won't work for me size-wise. The turning radius reminded me of a BMW i3.

As far as the Ford and VW dealers I've visited, it is the same-old sales pitch, ignorance, and typical dealership nonsense, which was an immediate turn-off. Ford is asking market-adjustment as high as 5K at many dealers in the 3 states around where I live, and the 28+ week wait for a comparable dual-motor, long-range Mach-E is crazy. VW hasn't delivered a single AWD version yet, and I'll hold my judgement on how well they can produce and deliver, both with manufacturing and OTAs. I found the ID.4 UX to feel legacy and overly complicated. I believe VW will improve here, but it will take time. Again, both the Mach-E and ID.4 are good EVs, and overall I found to be good cars with a lower learning curve for those coming from an ICE, but I think their 2.0 versions will really be where they make their sales. And this doesn't mean taking away from Tesla - it will take more from ICE sales.
 
just FYI, the double pane glass doesn't do differently than the single pane for acoustics. it's about safety

build quality - funny you should mention rover. their build quality is pretty atrocious Jaguar Land Rover Is Working to Fix Its Biggest Problem honestly the take away is that Tesla is probably in-line with the rest of the industry, just more heavily scrutinized by their customers and the press. here's an article that takes this on What's The Truth About Tesla Model 3 Build Quality? I haven't seen any proper DATA around the build quality as it compares to other car manufacturers
Interesting. I figured the double pane was for weight and acoustics. . .but there are easier and less expensive ways to achieve both. So, safety makes sense. . .of course, now you've given me another topic for research because I don't know how this might affect safety. Thanks a hell of a lot for that! 😂

Do you know the Range Rover's natural habitat?
On the back of a flatbed.
Do you know why Jaguars/Lotuses are so low to the ground?
So when pieces fall off, you can catch them without getting out.
Do you know why the English drink their beer warm?
Lucas Electrics makes their refrigerators.

Tesla has improved dramatically in the 7 years I've been paying attention. Their build quality isn't nearly at Toyota/Honda standards, but boy, Mitsubishi better watch out! Jokes aside, I think Tesla is 80% that of Toyota/Honda. Put another way, it's about a GM in the late 80s. Not bad, not great. I'm heartened that it keeps improving.

I think when you pick up a car, one should know what one is walking into. When I got my first Honda, the salesman tried to sell me an extended warranty. I replied, "I'm buying a Honda." He laughed, and we moved on. When we got the Tesla, I was expecting panel gap issues. That I found only one, I think is remarkable. The high-touch surfaces need work though.
 
We own both a Model Y and a VW ID.4.

Fit and finish on the VW is miles ahead of the Tesla, it's not even close. VW ride is more comfortable, quieter. Turning radius on the ID.4 smokes the MY (helpful in urban environments where parking spots are hard to come by. CarPlay on the VW is a gamechanger and highlights the shortcomings of Tesla's closed system. Cabin feels roomier, especially the back seats.

Tesla's performance off the line is unparalleled and the VW can't touch it. Charging all the way around is miles ahead of VW - charges faster on a Level 2, the Electrify America network is a disaster currently. Most stations listed are "coming soon," and those up and running are rife with poor check-in reports on PlugShare. Any charger with a card reader is going to fail compared to the Supercharger network and its plug and charge approach, but even so EA stations are finicky and frustrating. The VW is my (non-techie) wife's car, and she's pretty much given up on the free charging offered by VW for three years with the purchase of an ID.4 because it never works. ID.4 has no frunk, so Tesla wins there.
A legacy of Ferdinand Piech!

Fit and finish on non-mechanicals is about all the VW group has on Tesla. I would trust the Tesla drivetrain for longevity much more than the VW group's. **VW stares helpless at Bosch** It's this part that most people will notice because we live with it every day. But a "value engineer" probably guessed that no one but idiots like me would take note of the headliner around the pano-roof. And rightly so. I'm not exactly begrudging the choices Tesla made on things like that. But, I really would have preferred if the guy fitting the door card into our driver rear door had bothered to put the fasteners in. 🙄 It's a good thing the customer service and experience is so gosh-darn good!

I think Tesla will eventually win this and not VW. The real competition for Tesla, IMO, is Toyota. Having piles more cash for R&D, they're probably already sunk a gazillion yet into both electrical and self-driving. That they have a stated policy of not being the first in any tech, their end game is to capture marketshare through dependability. And as Tesla becomes more mainstream, non-car geeks will be less knowledgeable and thus less forgiving. What I really hope doesn't happen is that Tesla's scrappy can-do, figure it out ethos isn't appreciated, and Tesla gets smacked with class action lawsuits from consumers who didn't know what they were buying. **looking at you, Kevin Shenkman. You're an asshat!**
 
The Achilles heel for VW isn't the drivetrain longevity (who is buying EVs right now and planning on keeping them more than 5-6 years?), it's the charging infrastructure. Range anxiety is what holds people back from EVs, which is why Tesla went after that before building a car even generously called affordable. Tesla road trips are inconvenient to painful. VW road trips are excruciating to impossible if you stick to the EA network. In addition, charging itself is rife with bugs, epitomized by a panicked call from my wife who could not get the car to release the CCS connector last weekend on a short trip while she was being told by the attendant they were closing the parking lot soon. Ridiculous, and I have to imagine VW will eventually sell more than a small share of EA to someone more interested in building it out and operating it.
 
Agree with VW vs. Tesla fit and finish, and as with the Mach-E, I found the ID.4 even smaller than my MY (I fully fill the frunk and under my rear trunk), and it simply won't work for me size-wise. The turning radius reminded me of a BMW i3.

As far as the Ford and VW dealers I've visited, it is the same-old sales pitch, ignorance, and typical dealership nonsense, which was an immediate turn-off. Ford is asking market-adjustment as high as 5K at many dealers in the 3 states around where I live, and the 28+ week wait for a comparable dual-motor, long-range Mach-E is crazy. VW hasn't delivered a single AWD version yet, and I'll hold my judgement on how well they can produce and deliver, both with manufacturing and OTAs. I found the ID.4 UX to feel legacy and overly complicated. I believe VW will improve here, but it will take time. Again, both the Mach-E and ID.4 are good EVs, and overall I found to be good cars with a lower learning curve for those coming from an ICE, but I think their 2.0 versions will really be where they make their sales. And this doesn't mean taking away from Tesla - it will take more from ICE sales.
$5k market adjustment?! May I make a "living with shame of having purchased an inferior" adjustment?!

I think Tesla holds the EV crown and will do so for at least two more cycles. Tesla has more experience with battery longevity, charge/discharge, regeneration, etc. And I didn't even thing about the OTA updates. I think you're spot on - I can't even imagine how anyone would hope to compete with Tesla. I mean, StarLink.

I don't think most folks quite realize just how brilliantly integrated Musk's vision for Tesla is. Sure, Tesla builds this spiffy, kinda-sorta-self driving covered skate-board. . .but really, it's a power storage company that happens to do other things. I mean. . .if a 10% of the homes in Texas and CA had PowerWalls, those states would likely not have rolling blackouts again. **Utility regulators in collusion with industry: Hold my beer.**

I think Musk is a benevolent genius, the antithesis of Dr. Evil and Mr. Bigglesworth.
 
We own both a Model Y and a VW ID.4.

Fit and finish on the VW is miles ahead of the Tesla, it's not even close. VW ride is more comfortable, quieter. Turning radius on the ID.4 smokes the MY (helpful in urban environments where parking spots are hard to come by. CarPlay on the VW is a gamechanger and highlights the shortcomings of Tesla's closed system. Cabin feels roomier, especially the back seats.

Tesla's performance off the line is unparalleled and the VW can't touch it. Charging all the way around is miles ahead of VW - charges faster on a Level 2, the Electrify America network is a disaster currently. Most stations listed are "coming soon," and those up and running are rife with poor check-in reports on PlugShare. Any charger with a card reader is going to fail compared to the Supercharger network and its plug and charge approach, but even so EA stations are finicky and frustrating. The VW is my (non-techie) wife's car, and she's pretty much given up on the free charging offered by VW for three years with the purchase of an ID.4 because it never works. ID.4 has no frunk, so Tesla wins there.
About the turning radius, according to Munro, both VW and Ford use cheaper older suspension and Tesla uses the same kind as on BMW to have better handling:
 
Just checked out a Mach-E.
My wife and I are pissed at Tesla for denying the emmc warranty repair on our 2014 Model S that clearly should have been covered. Reducing our charging speeds and range via hidden in software updates didn't help either. We were planning on replacing our Model S with a Y but Tesla's shenanigans motivated us to test drive the Mach-E. We liked the way it drove (though the RWD is much slower than our Model 3 LR), the driver display is minimalist but very nice and quality looked good to me. My biggest issues were that it still had a start/stop button, too many of the menu options (like address entry) stay greyed out even if you hit 'I am the Passenger' and the elsewhere mentioned 24 week delivery and >$4k dealer markups. Ford's BlueCruise looks to only be as good as AutoPilot was 2 years ago, is months away at least and, like GM, is restricted to HD mapped roads. We really want to switch from Tesla but given the state of other EV chargers are loathe to buy a car we insecure about road tripping.
 
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